Encryption

[Phoenixfury]

Huawei is irrelevant. They want to ban gateway devices and DVRs.

Or specifically it's the Gateway devices that conveniently allow viewing and DVR'ing of ATSC 3.0 broadcast content to multiple clients over a home network they seem to want banned.

They want to send us back to the stone age so they can gate keep and charge us for what we currently get free on ATSC 1.0. They (the networks) are trying to strong arm the broadcasters so OTA can become inferior version of cable. Or at least that's my perspective as a consumer whose seeing right through the greedy networks. If they want to be cable TV, then they should just abandon OTA and move to cable. See how that works out for those greedy (use your imagination)!

For clarification of my perspective... The Networks are Lex Luthor and they want to blow up California (OTA broadcast) so their worthless wasteland (cable tv) will be more valuable. DRM is the nuclear missile that needs to be stopped.

[KingdomeCome]

I saw this coming 2 years ago, not sure how nobody else did.

[wlm12]

They are killing OTA so it will all be streaming. Look at NBC with Peacock and CBS with Paramount +.

[howardc1243]

So what are the next steps Silicondust can do? Are you still having dialog with A3SA? Anything legal wise you can bring to the table and force their hand? I understand this whole issue is very complicated but it's also very frustrating as an owner of a flex4k and not getting everything I can out of the device.

We are doing a lot. We just got back from Washington DC where we met with the FCC and presented two solutions.

if nickk can show and i believe nickk can show that there is collusion between pearl and a3sa to keep gateway devices from decrypting the signal then the next step would be to involve the legal system.

it was the former fcc chairwoman jessica rosenworcel who approved along with the other six commissioners the use of the atsc 3.0 broadcast system, citing it would improve picture quality and audio clarity along with other features such as enhanced amber alerts targeted weather alerts among a few.

as for the you-tube video by lon seidman saying to avoid the hdhomerun i say don't avoid the hdhomerun because doing so only eggs on this non-sense.

[HoTst2]

They are killing OTA so it will all be streaming. Look at NBC with Peacock and CBS with Paramount +.

Which if true, again proves the dishonest duplicity of the broadcasters and the A3SA. Since Gateway solutions like the HDHR can be readily updated to handle the type of DRM encryption used by the internet streaming services.to protect their content.

So it's really not about concerns over piracy, but underhanded ways of forcing customers to remain with pay services by effectively eliminating free OTA. ..

[Phoenixfury]

as for the you-tube video by lon seidman saying to avoid the hdhomerun i say don't avoid the hdhomerun because doing so only eggs on this non-sense.

I've never disagreed with Lon on anything until he said that. I have 2 big reasons.

#1. The Flex 4k contains the best 1.0 tuners on the market hands down. I noticed a huge improvement in reception quality upon upgrading from a HDHR Quattro.

#2. It's easier to make a stronger case about the number of units affected if there's more units about there to be affected. However it's not the end of the end of the world if 3.0 doesn't take off as point #1. Is the primary reason you should still get a Flex 4k anyways until this DRM issue is either fixed or goes away all together.

[nickk]

howardc1243 - do you mean AntennaMan rather than Lon?

[Phoenixfury]

howardc1243 - do you mean AntennaMan rather than Lon?

Oh yeah you're right, it was Tyler. Lon & Tyler have been so intertwined on the DRM subject that it's easy to lose track of who said what.

[Squirrelies]

howardc1243 - do you mean AntennaMan rather than Lon?

Oh yeah you're right, it was Tyler. Lon & Tyler have been so intertwined on the DRM subject that it's easy to lose track of who said what.

Yeah, that comment (Tyler's) rubbed me the wrong way as this isn't SiliconDust's fault for this nonsense and they're the most public, transparent (as possible), vocal defender of our best interests on the device side of things.

I hope he'll clarify his statement as I assume he meant to convey that if your goal is to decrypt ATSC 3.0 DRM, HDHomeRun device isn't for you ... yet, entirely due to the A3SA/PearlTV's shenanigans.

[jasonl]

if nickk can show and i believe nickk can show that there is collusion between pearl and a3sa to keep gateway devices from decrypting the signal then the next step would be to involve the legal system.

Pearl was a founding member of A3SA. I'm not sure one can collude with themselves.

[tjp]

I've never disagreed with Lon on anything until he said that. I have 2 big reasons.

#1. The Flex 4k contains the best 1.0 tuners on the market hands down. I noticed a huge improvement in reception quality upon upgrading from a HDHR Quattro.

I agree, the ATSC 1.0 tuner on the Flex is one of the best, if not THE best.

I used another brand ASTC 1.0 tuner to aim my antenna as that tuner would display a continuous signal strength meter. When I was done and connected up the Flex 4k I saw a large improvement in signal strength and quality.

I sure wish SD would add an option to display a continuous signal display. I have since discovered the Android "Channels" app that works with the Flex - it will display copious amounts of detail about the selected channel. Why can't SD do it too? Ahh, but I digress........

[nickk]

Just noticed that Lon Seidman & Antenna Man filed an Ex Parte Letter today:
https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/search- ... 8038010634

Also OMI filed noting the lack of availability of ATSC 3.0 televisions:
https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/search- ... 8001540684

[howardc1243]

if nickk can show and i believe nickk can show that there is collusion between pearl and a3sa to keep gateway devices from decrypting the signal then the next step would be to involve the legal system.

Pearl was a founding member of A3SA. I'm not sure one can collude with themselves.

it can be done Jason Lee it can be done.

[Bill1426]

Just wondering......
From my readings, it looks like you need internet access to decrypt DRM.
I read about people needing information during safety issues during storms (hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.).
And, what happens to people that lose internet access for whatever reason,, you suddenly can't watch TV ??

My question is,, If DRM is enacted, what happens to a percentage of the people in the United States that don't have internet access, or can't afford it.. ??
I think the FCC should take that into consideration also...

[DrSmith]

I've read much hand-wringing about DRM causing concern during emergency situations. But I cannot fathom the issue. If there is an emergency the broadcasters can always turn DRM off. Pure ATSC 3.0, no certificates, no internet required. Then they turn DRM back on after the emergency is over.