Encryption

[NatHillIV]

I like these parts of the document best.

Not allowing DRM on public airwaves is a solution. It is the solution that would be best for the US
consumer and for device makers.......
To stop applying DRM encryption broadcasters simply need to untick the DRM config option on the
station video encoders. All broadcast video encoder equipment supports not applying DRM
encryption.......
All existing ATSC 3.0 televisions and receiver equipment purchased by US consumers would continue to
work, now with all channels available to all devices

[zippy]

I may have lost track of this. But usually there a fixed number of days for comments and then a set day for a "ruling". What is the end date if any. That way I can just hibernate until then

[HoTst2]

I like these parts of the document best.

Not allowing DRM on public airwaves is a solution. It is the solution that would be best for the US
consumer and for device makers.......
To stop applying DRM encryption broadcasters simply need to untick the DRM config option on the
station video encoders. All broadcast video encoder equipment supports not applying DRM
encryption.......
All existing ATSC 3.0 televisions and receiver equipment purchased by US consumers would continue to
work, now with all channels available to all devices

Me too, as by far the best solution for the public...

But I guess I could live with the second option of the FCC at least just require SD and others to simply implement the same Google Widevine DRM used by current streaming services and mandate A3SA's ridiculous and obviously discriminatory rules against Gateway devices be dropped.

[drmpeg]

I may have lost track of this. But usually there a fixed number of days for comments and then a set day for a "ruling". What is the end date if any. That way I can just hibernate until then

The end date for reply comments was June 6, 2025. No date set for a ruling.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-25-314A1.pdf

[howardc1243]

More like just a "bare-bones minimum" ATSC 3.0 solution for the 95% of OTA viewers wouldn't you say?

Oh, for sure. I only meant "viable" in the eyes of Pearl and possibly a misinformed FCC. Not at all viable for those of us with a DVR mindset.

Hollywood would rather us to watch their mud-movies and crap-shows and be annoyed by hollywood celebs spouting-out their mindless diatribe.

[howardc1243]

Pardon my complete lack of understanding here... but is that why the CableCard HDHR won't work on AndoridTV devices? The same thing that's preventing getting A3SA certified is preventing get recertified at the correct level because of the chip?

So basically we are now very limited to using a subset of devices that we could originally use?

I guess the good news is that 3.0 doesn't look likely to be mandated and the US will be stuck in limbo for a while. Probably after the original digital transition, none of these broadcasters has any stomach for the next level. They didn't learn the lessons from the music industry years ago when people found ways around the DRM until eventually Apple found the formula to success.

And oddly enough Pearl didn't even address SD's assertion that the other devices are a huge, gaping security hole using patches from 2011 and an old OS.

ATTN: nick stay with taiwan chips, stay with taiwan chips.

[howardc1243]

Again I ask which is easier/cheaper a redesign or being dragged through the muck.

Techpro2004: when it comes to satisfying the masses with a cheap solution or the muck, i choose the muck, thank you

[SpazPlayzz]

Well this is interesting and stinks very much in a lot of ways...

https://youtu.be/82IGVF8GhsY?si=kLCt7j7DcMb8HRRT

[nickk]

Well this is interesting and stinks very much in a lot of ways...

https://youtu.be/82IGVF8GhsY?si=kLCt7j7DcMb8HRRT

Well presented video with one problem - the HiSilicon part is not blacklisted.

Pearl - "Huawei has been identified as “a national security threat to the integrity of our communications networks” by the Commission and placed on the US Commerce Department’s “Entity List.”"

This relates to telecommunication equipment made by Huawei. It was put in place to stop Huawei equipment from being used in cell towers.

The HDHomeRun is not telecommunication equipment made by Huawei. Both in that it isn't telecommunication equipment and it isn't made by Huawei. We quoted the relevant law in our first Pearl response.

The HiSilicon part is an ARM CPU. It doesn't contain code, but rather it runs our code.

It is also worth noting that, as per newer A3SA rules, video gateway devices such as the HDHomeRun are required to pass the DRM encrypted video through to the player device without decrypting the video. That is why the Widevine license we have for the hardware isn't useful.

[SpazPlayzz]

Well this is interesting and stinks very much in a lot of ways...

https://youtu.be/82IGVF8GhsY?si=kLCt7j7DcMb8HRRT

Well presented video with one problem - the HiSilicon part is not blacklisted.

Pearl - "Huawei has been identified as “a national security threat to the integrity of our communications networks” by the Commission and placed on the US Commerce Department’s “Entity List.”"

This relates to telecommunication equipment made by Huawei. It was put in place to stop Huawei equipment from being used in cell towers.

The HDHomeRun is not telecommunication equipment made by Huawei. Both in that it isn't telecommunication equipment and it isn't made by Huawei. We quoted the relevant law in our first Pearl response.

The HiSilicon part is an ARM CPU. It doesn't contain code, but rather it runs our code.

It is also worth noting that, as per the A3SA, video gateway devices such as the HDHomeRun are required to pass the DRM encrypted video through to the player device without decrypting the video. That is why the Widevine license we have for the hardware isn't useful.

So what are the next steps Silicondust can do? Are you still having dialog with A3SA? Anything legal wise you can bring to the table and force their hand? I understand this whole issue is very complicated but it's also very frustrating as an owner of a flex4k and not getting everything I can out of the device.

[nickk]

So what are the next steps Silicondust can do? Are you still having dialog with A3SA? Anything legal wise you can bring to the table and force their hand? I understand this whole issue is very complicated but it's also very frustrating as an owner of a flex4k and not getting everything I can out of the device.

We are doing a lot. We just got back from Washington DC where we met with the FCC and presented two solutions.

[Soapdishbandit]

So what are the next steps Silicondust can do? Are you still having dialog with A3SA? Anything legal wise you can bring to the table and force their hand? I understand this whole issue is very complicated but it's also very frustrating as an owner of a flex4k and not getting everything I can out of the device.

We are doing a lot. We just got back from Washington DC where we met with the FCC and presented two solutions.

I really hope one was "get rid of DRM on PUBLIC airwaves".

[nickk]

I really hope one was "get rid of DRM on PUBLIC airwaves".

Yes - that was the first one.

[DennisFL]

Huawei is irrelevant. They want to ban gateway devices and DVRs.

[HoTst2]

Huawei is irrelevant. They want to ban gateway devices and DVRs.

Or specifically it's the Gateway devices that conveniently allow viewing and DVR'ing of ATSC 3.0 broadcast content to multiple clients over a home network they seem to want banned.