HDHomeRun 4K is Nextgen TV Certified

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Banzai51
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Cabal wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:30 pm
tab72 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:27 pm Question: what is stopping the HDHomeRun 4K from getting DRM channels?
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It says Android is supported for the Widevine decryption, but neither my Android phone or Google TV Steamer device can play the DRM'd ATSC 3.0 channels. Anything I should look at? Or is every end point being denied because the Flex 4k has ethernet out and/or DVR capability?

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Re: HDHomeRun 4K is Nextgen TV Certified

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Banzai51 wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:55 pm
Cabal wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:30 pm
tab72 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:27 pm Question: what is stopping the HDHomeRun 4K from getting DRM channels?
viewtopic.php?t=78888
It says Android is supported for the Widevine decryption, but neither my Android phone or Google TV Steamer device can play the DRM'd ATSC 3.0 channels. Anything I should look at? Or is every end point being denied because the Flex 4k has ethernet out and/or DVR capability?
Yes, Android would work IF there was a DRM solution for the SD tuners. There is not, and doesn't seen like there will ever be. Or IF so, it's still a long way out.

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Re: HDHomeRun 4K is Nextgen TV Certified

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Banzai51 wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:55 pm It says Android is supported for the Widevine decryption
I don't think it says that.

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For this section of the forum nothing related to the hdhr-4k (which this section is for) can receive drm channels... the drm being referred to in the other threads is for a prime and cablecard... windows and ios should be working, android takes a bit longer for cert updates. Widevine has nothing to do with cablecard drm unless SD is somehow tying dtcp-ip with a widevine requirement but my understanding it is tied to Google being able to certify device isn't rooted.

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MikeBear wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:01 pm Yes, Android would work IF there was a DRM solution for the SD tuners. There is not, and doesn't seen like there will ever be. Or IF so, it's still a long way out.
There is more to a solution than just widevine.support, although SD has suggested that Android platforms are likely to be among the first platforms to support the required content protection requirements. However, some of the detailed security requirements are under various NDAs, so the details of such requirements and when SD might be able to achieve them, are unknown to us. SD is (understandably) reluctant to offer a schedule when so much of the work is outside of their direct control (SD has been (appropriately IMHO) burned by customers before when publishing a schedule that was never achieved, even though the reason was outside their direct control).

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It would also seem that they are trying to address the issue in non-technical ways (as well as technical) by pursuing the Multiple Dwelling Unit market. Currently people needing a DRM gateway solution is probably around 2.5 x HDHR 4K Flex devices sold, which is a small segment of the ATSC 3.0 population. But if they get the multiple dwelling unit (think apartment complex or hotel offering ATSC 3.0 to occupants) market going there will be a bigger multiplier for SD’s network gateway devices needing DRM to be addressed by A3SA. So perhaps the A3SA will need to pay attention to SD’s solution more. It seems like A3SA is “busy” taking care of other ATSC 3.0 issues instead because we’re currently a very small number of ATSC 3.0 viewers.

This is my take on why SD is pursuing that market, besides it being an untapped market for revenue. I could be wrong.

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