HDHomeRun 4K is Nextgen TV Certified

[Banzai51]

Question: what is stopping the HDHomeRun 4K from getting DRM channels?

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It says Android is supported for the Widevine decryption, but neither my Android phone or Google TV Steamer device can play the DRM'd ATSC 3.0 channels. Anything I should look at? Or is every end point being denied because the Flex 4k has ethernet out and/or DVR capability?

[MikeBear]

Question: what is stopping the HDHomeRun 4K from getting DRM channels?

viewtopic.php?t=78888

It says Android is supported for the Widevine decryption, but neither my Android phone or Google TV Steamer device can play the DRM'd ATSC 3.0 channels. Anything I should look at? Or is every end point being denied because the Flex 4k has ethernet out and/or DVR capability?

Yes, Android would work IF there was a DRM solution for the SD tuners. There is not, and doesn't seen like there will ever be. Or IF so, it's still a long way out.

[Cabal]

It says Android is supported for the Widevine decryption

I don't think it says that.

[signcarver]

For this section of the forum nothing related to the hdhr-4k (which this section is for) can receive drm channels... the drm being referred to in the other threads is for a prime and cablecard... windows and ios should be working, android takes a bit longer for cert updates. Widevine has nothing to do with cablecard drm unless SD is somehow tying dtcp-ip with a widevine requirement but my understanding it is tied to Google being able to certify device isn't rooted.

[gtb]

Yes, Android would work IF there was a DRM solution for the SD tuners. There is not, and doesn't seen like there will ever be. Or IF so, it's still a long way out.

There is more to a solution than just widevine.support, although SD has suggested that Android platforms are likely to be among the first platforms to support the required content protection requirements. However, some of the detailed security requirements are under various NDAs, so the details of such requirements and when SD might be able to achieve them, are unknown to us. SD is (understandably) reluctant to offer a schedule when so much of the work is outside of their direct control (SD has been (appropriately IMHO) burned by customers before when publishing a schedule that was never achieved, even though the reason was outside their direct control).

[danieljlevine]

It would also seem that they are trying to address the issue in non-technical ways (as well as technical) by pursuing the Multiple Dwelling Unit market. Currently people needing a DRM gateway solution is probably around 2.5 x HDHR 4K Flex devices sold, which is a small segment of the ATSC 3.0 population. But if they get the multiple dwelling unit (think apartment complex or hotel offering ATSC 3.0 to occupants) market going there will be a bigger multiplier for SD’s network gateway devices needing DRM to be addressed by A3SA. So perhaps the A3SA will need to pay attention to SD’s solution more. It seems like A3SA is “busy” taking care of other ATSC 3.0 issues instead because we’re currently a very small number of ATSC 3.0 viewers.

This is my take on why SD is pursuing that market, besides it being an untapped market for revenue. I could be wrong.

[MikeySoft]

Apparent HDHomerun Connect 4k firmware update?
I have had the HDHomerun for years and it worked great until I moved further from the transmission antennas. Then it would occasionally freeze with an error message. I had to change channels to get to unfreeze & work again. It appears now to restart on its own when it freezes and is a great improvement. Thanks Drm stations still do not work.

[threewheel42]

I use HD Home Run with NVIDIA Shield...is that supported for DRM and ATSC 3.0? (my HDHR is Flex 4K)

[danieljlevine]

I’ve been catching up on the “high noon” discussions for ATSC 3.0. Setting aside whether we agree with whether the high noon should or shouldn’t happen, does the fact that the HD Homerun Flex 4K device is Nextgen TV Certified mean that we will be able to watch channels that jump through the “high noon” digital signature hoops when DRM encryption is not utilized by the channel? Would the certification also mean that the device would also enforce penalties (like preventing channels from being seen in ways similar to what we see with DRM channel blocking today) on ATSC 3.0 channels that are not in compliance with “high noon”? I assume the answer is: yes.

Am I correct?

[Freekick123]

I’ve been catching up on the “high noon” discussions for ATSC 3.0. Setting aside whether we agree with whether the high noon should or shouldn’t happen, does the fact that the HD Homerun Flex 4K device is Nextgen TV Certified mean that we will be able to watch channels that jump through the “high noon” digital signature hoops when DRM encryption is not utilized by the channel? Would the certification also mean that the device would also enforce penalties (like preventing channels from being seen in ways similar to what we see with DRM channel blocking today) on ATSC 3.0 channels that are not in compliance with “high noon”? I assume the answer is: yes.

Am I correct?

All of the high noon stuff is handled by the decoding device/app, not the HDHR “tuner”.

[danieljlevine]

Thanks for correcting me. So what is the expected behavior of the HDHR app on all supported platforms should “high noon” get turned on at some point? Perhaps many stations are already compliant with the requirements for “high noon”?

[Freekick123]

Thanks for correcting me. So what is the expected behavior of the HDHR app on all supported platforms should “high noon” get turned on at some point? Perhaps many stations are already compliant with the requirements for “high noon”?

That is hard to say since no gateway app is approved by A3SA, but just guessing, it wouldn’t decode it.

[danieljlevine]

Maybe I have the wrong take away from this is being done, but it seems like perhaps there’s an analogy:
DRM is to Encryption as High Noon is to Digital Signature.

So in the case of DRM, the data is encrypted and the playing software can’t decode it unless the A3SA gives them the keys to decrypt and then the unencrypted video, audio, etc. are available to the player to present.

It sounded like with the High Noon stuff, that the player would detect that the digital signature was missing or invalid, but the player would still be able to present it, albeit with a dialog box saying that the channel had a problem with the digital signature. I figured this was perhaps a NextGen TV requirement, since it has nothing to do with DRM encryption.

[nickk]

Keep in mind that in order to be allowed by the A3SA to decrypt DRM encrypted content a receiver must follow ALL rules and requirements the A3SA imposes. That includes all rules and restrictions they require for channels that are not DRM encrypted.

[danieljlevine]

So then I guess if the HDHomerun Flex 4K/HD Homerun app doesn’t receive DRM capabilities from A3SA and high noon was to go into effect, all ATSC 3.0 stations, regardless of whether they use DRM encryption or not, would become unwatchable for us?