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[anonymouse]

I love Bluesky ... what is Nick's handle? Any other SD folks on Bluesky?

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[Frank Hagan]

Thanks! Following them there.

[Ken.F]

nick - nobody uses bluesky. you locked the thread so that people can't reply and tell you how cringe that is.

IMHO all social media is cringe.
Nick, please keep updating the changelog thread with detailed info. I don't mind if you also post it elsewhere but if you only post on social media sites I will never see it.

[Cabal]

Nick, please keep updating the changelog thread with detailed info. I don't mind if you also post it elsewhere but if you only post on social media sites I will never see it.

Please do this.

[theseer2]

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[nickk]

Here's the deal on the changelog and Bluesky...

We have outgrown the "subscribe to the changelog thread" approach as there is a limit to the number of emails that can be reasonably sent by the forum.
We have a bulk-email system but it is a PITA for quick changelog announcements.
Bluesky and X are great for this type of quick announcement.
We choose Bluesky over X because everyone can view Bluesky without creating an account / logging in vs X which has limits that could result in people not being able to see our announcements without logging in.

[pdicamillo]

In general I'm not opposed to using social media for changelog updates. However, what I really want is to get an email notification when there is a new changelog entry. I don't want to have to keep checking in case there is an update. As far as I can tell, Bluesky doesn't support email notifications. Would it be feasible to get free malling lists software, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympa#:~: ... %20French. and use a mailing list for changelog updates?

[gtb]

In general I'm not opposed to using social media for changelog updates. However, what I really want is to get an email notification when there is a new changelog entry. I don't want to have to keep checking in case there is an update. As far as I can tell, Bluesky doesn't support email notifications. Would it be feasible to get free malling lists software, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympa#:~: ... %20French. and use a mailing list for changelog updates?

The problem, as stated, is that numerous email providers consider "bulk" email to multiple of their customers to be classified as UCE (i.e. spam). Nothing any company (not a member of the FAANGs) can do to bypass that. One can find bulk email providers that, through their agreements, can try to reduce those classifications (as long as you pay a high enough price), but even those are iffy.

If you are personally willing to pay for the service, just pay for someone else to check the forum every day for you (these are called, in certain industries, as personal assistants).

[pdicamillo]

I don't want to get too far off topic, but part of my work is to manage mailing list servers. ISPs specify requirements for sending bulk email so that it will not be rejected as spam. The requirements are for advanced configuration options such as DKIM and SPF. When servers meet the requirements bulk e-mail will go through. However, I missed what Nick wrote about their bulk mail system being a PITA. It is true that more effort is involved than when a forum automatically sends mail.

[jasonl]

DKIM and SPF are in use.

[Frank Hagan]

DKIM and SPF are in use.

The last 8 years of my professional life before retiring in 2023 was with a marketing automation company (email service) as a product engagement manager. It is increasingly hard - and expensive - to maintain your reputation as a "good sender" and stay out of the spam boxes. As ISPs tighten restrictions, it becomes a game of whack a mole to update and maintain your mailing list.

I do get the forum's email notifications, but I've trained my email program to always allow them through. They go to my own domain on my own server where I control what's filtered. If you aren't getting the notifications then it could be your mail program, or your ISP filtering the mail and/or rejecting it before delivery. SD can't rely on customers always being able to configure their email to avoid the spam filters. And to be honest, services like Comcast and Gmail change the rules all the time, so you have to be vigilant. If you've subscribed to updates on the forum and not getting them, they might be getting filtered by your ISP or email provider.

Even though I get notifications, I still like the idea of following SD on BlueSky.

[gtb]

The last 8 years of my professional life before retiring in 2023 was with a marketing automation company (email service) as a product engagement manager. It is increasingly hard - and expensive - to maintain your reputation as a "good sender" and stay out of the spam boxes. As ISPs tighten restrictions, it becomes a game of whack a mole to update and maintain your mailing list.

And more and more people, rather than unsubscribing from notifications (it is "too hard" for them), click the "this is spam" button on their email service, and when enough people do that, the service decides that email from that domain is spam for everyone.

This is another example why we can't have nice things.

[DrSmith]

DKIM and SPF are in use.

The last 8 years of my professional life before retiring in 2023 was with a marketing automation company (email service) as a product engagement manager. It is increasingly hard - and expensive - to maintain your reputation as a "good sender" and stay out of the spam boxes. As ISPs tighten restrictions, it becomes a game of whack a mole to update and maintain your mailing list.

Oof, ran my own email server for many years. But when DKIM and SPF went on I stopped bc it was just too tedious. And here we are, all the spammers have SPF and DKIM so major providers have to just deny bulk email. But keep those authentication headers going! The red tape must live on!

[jasonl]

We run a lot of servers doing a lot of different things, but we aren't crazy enough to run our own mail server. Anyone who's handy with DNS will see that we farm that particular function out to Google.

[beefjerky]

The last 8 years of my professional life before retiring in 2023 was with a marketing automation company (email service) as a product engagement manager. It is increasingly hard - and expensive - to maintain your reputation as a "good sender" and stay out of the spam boxes. As ISPs tighten restrictions, it becomes a game of whack a mole to update and maintain your mailing list.

And more and more people, rather than unsubscribing from notifications (it is "too hard" for them), click the "this is spam" button on their email service, and when enough people do that, the service decides that email from that domain is spam for everyone.

This is another example why we can't have nice things.

As a counterpoint to this, it's also gotten increasingly harder to tell whether emails are legitimate, and therefore whether or not the unsubscribe link is legitimate. If it's not legitimate, that means we could end up on even more lists than we already were. So, if I'm not 100% sure that it is a legitimate unsubscribe link, I won't click it, and I will send it to spam. I'm sorry if this hurts some legitimate senders, but ultimately, the scammers are the ones to blame.