Encryption

[gore]

In a recent episode of Lon.tv, he discussed a report from the FCC regarding ATSC 3.0. The report was about the ongoing discussions of the various industry and consumer groups about all things ATSC 3.0. I assume, though I may be wrong, that these are the discussions that SD has been involved in for years now. He said the report did not even mention encryption as a subject that had been discussed at all. Based on this, and from his reporting in his YouTube episode, I think that all hope of some sort of breakthrough on encryption is not coming at all, and that nothing that SD or anyone else has had one bit of effect on the situation. We are possibly just barking up a tree and there is nothing in that tree. It's a really sad situation that might just end up with ATSC 3.0 not happening at all.

[Freekick123]

In a recent episode of Lon.tv, he discussed a report from the FCC regarding ATSC 3.0. The report was about the ongoing discussions of the various industry and consumer groups about all things ATSC 3.0. I assume, though I may be wrong, that these are the discussions that SD has been involved in for years now. He said the report did not even mention encryption as a subject that had been discussed at all. Based on this, and from his reporting in his YouTube episode, I think that all hope of some sort of breakthrough on encryption is not coming at all, and that nothing that SD or anyone else has had one bit of effect on the situation. We are possibly just barking up a tree and there is nothing in that tree. It's a really sad situation that might just end up with ATSC 3.0 not happening at all.

I downloaded that report, and actually encryption is mentioned several times and there's even a chart explaining that encryption is being used everywhere on the internet and that content providers demand it. Of course it also shows gateways which just don't exist.

Here's the https://www.blog.nab.org/wp-content/upl ... Report.pdf

[NatHillIV]

I posted this an hour ago on AVS forum. Hope I don't get in trouble with them.......

NAB "The Future of Television Initiative Report"

https://www.blog.nab.org/wp-content/upl ... Report.pdf

I found this VERY interesting. I have added the "bold."
I think it explains the HDHomeRun encryption/certification fiasco pretty well.
"Licensed receivers can easily display protected content in a manner that is transparent to the user. A3SA also coordinates with the CTA NEXTGEN TV logo program so that manufacturers who use the logo are aware that broadcast content may be encrypted. CTA logo applicants are required to certify that they have contacted A3SA to ensure that their devices will be able receive and display content that has been transmitted pursuant to A3SA’s protocols."

So A3SA has been contacted, and depending upon who you believe, may or may not be assisting Silicon Dust.
I know who I choose to believe.

[howardc1243]

In a recent episode of Lon.tv, he discussed a report from the FCC regarding ATSC 3.0. The report was about the ongoing discussions of the various industry and consumer groups about all things ATSC 3.0. I assume, though I may be wrong, that these are the discussions that SD has been involved in for years now. He said the report did not even mention encryption as a subject that had been discussed at all. Based on this, and from his reporting in his YouTube episode, I think that all hope of some sort of breakthrough on encryption is not coming at all, and that nothing that SD or anyone else has had one bit of effect on the situation. We are possibly just barking up a tree and there is nothing in that tree. It's a really sad situation that might just end up with ATSC 3.0 not happening at all.

I downloaded that report, and actually encryption is mentioned several times and there's even a chart explaining that encryption is being used everywhere on the internet and that content providers demand it. Of course it also shows gateways which just don't exist.

Here's the https://www.blog.nab.org/wp-content/upl ... Report.pdf

whoever that dirtbag that wrote that report, nickk and crew proved them wrong......., gateway devices do exist.

[howardc1243]

I posted this an hour ago on AVS forum. Hope I don't get in trouble with them.......

NAB "The Future of Television Initiative Report"

https://www.blog.nab.org/wp-content/upl ... Report.pdf

I found this VERY interesting. I have added the "bold."
I think it explains the HDHomeRun encryption/certification fiasco pretty well.
"Licensed receivers can easily display protected content in a manner that is transparent to the user. A3SA also coordinates with the CTA NEXTGEN TV logo program so that manufacturers who use the logo are aware that broadcast content may be encrypted. CTA logo applicants are required to certify that they have contacted A3SA to ensure that their devices will be able receive and display content that has been transmitted pursuant to A3SA’s protocols."

So A3SA has been contacted, and depending upon who you believe, may or may not be assisting Silicon Dust.
I know who I choose to believe.

i believe nickk and crew the makers of the hdhomerun.
a3sa is throwing too much opacity (smoke).

[idrachman]

Would be good to see an official response to this issue, any dependencies that need to be resolved, who is doing what and if so, expected timing on when we will see the encryption addressed.
Thank you,
Ian

[anonymouse]

Would be good to see an official response to this issue, any dependencies that need to be resolved, who is doing what and if so, expected timing on when we will see the encryption addressed.
Thank you,
Ian

Yeah... good luck with all that!

What they can share has been shared. Try the first post in this thread for the first two items; regarding the rest -- folks have been making these and similar requests for more than a year and SD has chosen not to respond. They aren't known for posting roadmaps and probably have signed NDAs in place covering everything else.

[signcarver]

Hopefully this will be done by February 2028
https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/nab-p ... 8-and-2030

[leerandall]

Hopefully this will be done by February 2028
https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/nab-p ... 8-and-2030

I find it interesting that nowhere in this article is 4K mentioned as one of the benefits of ATSC 3.0. It is only alluded to as "delivering superior picture quality."

[Freekick123]

Hopefully this will be done by February 2028
https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/nab-p ... 8-and-2030

I find it interesting that nowhere in this article is 4K mentioned as one of the benefits of ATSC 3.0. It is only alluded to as "delivering superior picture quality."

It's mentioned several times in the actual NAB petition.

[leerandall]

Hopefully this will be done by February 2028
https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/nab-p ... 8-and-2030

I find it interesting that nowhere in this article is 4K mentioned as one of the benefits of ATSC 3.0. It is only alluded to as "delivering superior picture quality."

It's mentioned several times in the actual NAB petition.

Ahh, that I didn't read. Thanks.

[igor74]

I just received an update to the HDHomeRun app on my iPhone. All the What's New says is a terse DRM update. I gave it a try and all I get is the Unable to play channel: etc. message on the DRM encoded channels. So, whatever this update is intended to be, DRM decoding isn't one of them.

[Cabal]

I just received an update to the HDHomeRun app on my iPhone. All the What's New says is a terse DRM update. I gave it a try and all I get is the Unable to play channel: etc. message on the DRM encoded channels. So, whatever this update is intended to be, DRM decoding isn't one of them.

That update was for CableCARD DRM: viewtopic.php?p=403319#p403319

Of course, I don't know what the wording on the update was, as I don't use any of those devices. I will believe you that it was vague.

[anonymouse]

I just received an update to the HDHomeRun app on my iPhone. All the What's New says is a terse DRM update. I gave it a try and all I get is the Unable to play channel: etc. message on the DRM encoded channels. So, whatever this update is intended to be, DRM decoding isn't one of them.

If you read the first post of this thread, you would know that DRM on Apple devices doesn't appear to be on ANYONE'S roadmap, let alone implemented...

[badbob001]

So if currently only decryption to hdmi is allowed, then is it allowed to re-transmit the unchanged encrypted stream over the network? If yes, then can't we have client devices to decrypt the network stream to hdmi? Or would re-transmission be considered a form of DVR and is not legal?

Then again, if the above is possible, someone could just attach hdmi-to-network video encoders to distribute the decrypted content over the network.