Super Bowl in 4K HDR

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Super Bowl in 4K HDR

Post by clarkss12 »

CBS today confirmed that it will offer next month’s Super Bowl in 4K HDR (High Dynamic Range). Does that mean OTA also??

https://tvanswerman.com/2024/01/09/cbs- ... owl-in-4k/

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No. The 4K coverage is limited to MVPDs (Cable, sat, telco/fiber, streaming)

If Verizon FiOS has a deal in place for CBS's 4K sports, their customers will be able to get it via the Prime. But the rest of the cable providers who have live 4K sports like Optimum and Xfinity use IP delivery for 4K instead of QAM.

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As mentioned, this won't apply to OTA. But I think a fair size group of people use other services alongside their OTA setup.

Not sure if anyone else saw ESPN's 4K broadcast of the College Football Championship game, but it was fantastic. No commercial breaks at all, radio announcers, and 4K quality from the "skycam."

Looking forward to the Super Bowl broadcast.

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From the article:
Update: A CBS spokesman has confirmed to The TV Answer Man that the 4K feed will be upscaled from a 1080p HD broadcast.

So I guess OTA wont look bad at all compared to any streaming's 4K. The only downside to OTA would be no HDR.

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I would like clarification.
It is my understanding that as we speak not a single television station in the United States of America is broadcasting in 4K.
Have I missed something?

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yurguis wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:04 am From the article:
Update: A CBS spokesman has confirmed to The TV Answer Man that the 4K feed will be upscaled from a 1080p HD broadcast.

So I guess OTA wont look bad at all compared to any streaming's 4K. The only downside to OTA would be no HDR.
Wish they would make the OTA broadcast the 1080p HDR.
If it is coming over IP, i.e. internet - prefer they send me the 1080p HDR and leave the upscale to my screen (better upscaler anyway) to save the data bits (less contention, less data cap usage, etc.).
TBH I would prefer 1080p120 over any 4K for sports.
NatHillIV wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:09 pm I would like clarification.
It is my understanding that as we speak not a single television station in the United States of America is broadcasting in 4K.
Have I missed something?
Depends on what you mean by 'television station'.
No OTA stations broadcast 4K or HDR at the moment -
Cable has trialed some 4K channels but looks like they are preferring to deliver over IP
IPTV providers such as YoutubeTV do make some ESPN, NBC Sports, and Fox Sports broadcasts with 4K - for a ridiculous cost ($10/mo + high data usage)
So - yes there are 'television stations' that broadcast in 4K - but not all content, not all the time, most of it is VOD, and your ability to view is subject to a lot of variables :(

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yurguis wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:04 am From the article:
Update: A CBS spokesman has confirmed to The TV Answer Man that the 4K feed will be upscaled from a 1080p HD broadcast.

So I guess OTA wont look bad at all compared to any streaming's 4K. The only downside to OTA would be no HDR.
There's no native 1080p OTA broadcast either. as far as I know, all current 3.0 1080p signals are upscaled simulcast from 1080i or 720p. The pipes from network source to local stations are still 1080i/720p.

CBS is talking about their streaming, not OTA.

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Re: Super Bowl in 4K HDR

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rikd wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:55 am Wish they would make the OTA broadcast the 1080p HDR.
I have some 1080p HDR OTA broadcasts in my area, CBS is not one of them.
stephenju wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:34 am There's no native 1080p OTA broadcast either. as far as I know, all current 3.0 1080p signals are upscaled simulcast from 1080i or 720p. The pipes from network source to local stations are still 1080i/720p.
That's what I've heard before as well but the main point is that there is no native 4k feed so there shouln't be any noticeable differences on image quality IMO.

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In other words, no television station in the USA is broadcasting a 4K Super-Bowl signal through their antenna located on a big tall tower which is to be received by a user's television antenna and consequently used to put a 4K picture on a television screen. :D

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NatHillIV wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:59 am In other words, no television station in the USA is broadcasting a 4K
You could have just stopped there :D

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What a sad situation. Yet another nail in the ATSC/3.0 coffin. 😢

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Of course there are those users who also have the latest generation of upscaler. And after upscaling 1080p to 4K are very happy with the results.

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yurguis wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:19 am
rikd wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:55 am Wish they would make the OTA broadcast the 1080p HDR.
I have some 1080p HDR OTA broadcasts in my area, CBS is not one of them.
stephenju wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:34 am There's no native 1080p OTA broadcast either. as far as I know, all current 3.0 1080p signals are upscaled simulcast from 1080i or 720p. The pipes from network source to local stations are still 1080i/720p.
That's what I've heard before as well but the main point is that there is no native 4k feed so there shouln't be any noticeable differences on image quality IMO.
not very many broadcasting stations have engineers that know "advanced code injection" that would alllow for 1920p or 1920i which is 4k and would include the high dynamic range audio and furthermore those physical layer pipes require a knowledge of advanced code injection.

note: nickk or neds are not in violation of any NDA since i do have an understanding of the processes involved.

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Re: Super Bowl in 4K HDR

Post by Kinison »

Are we really going to get 4K broadcast? I tried watching the Texans vs Ravens game this Saturday and ABC had it blacked out. The 1080i channel worked fine.

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Re: Super Bowl in 4K HDR

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Kinison wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:46 am Are we really going to get 4K broadcast?
No one has suggested that.

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