Optimal Attenuation for HDHomeRun FLEX 4K DEV Units

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KeithAbbott
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Optimal Attenuation for HDHomeRun FLEX 4K DEV Units

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I am hoping that nickk or someone from SiliconDust can answer these questions.

I just got my shiny new FLEX 4K DEV today, and am looking for help with what the official spec and optimum dBmV range is for OTA. Similar to this post from a couple of weeks ago, but for OTA instead of cable:
nickk wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2025 8:43 am Official spec is -12dBmV to +15dBmV.

-6dBmV (90%) to 0dBmV (100%) is perfect for cable TV.
-12dB (80%) is the official min spec for QAM256.

dBmV measurement - tune a channel in the HDHomeRun app then go to the device webpage http://hdhomerun.local/ - Tuners, Tuner0 - this page will show the power level in % and in dBmV.
Also, is there a benefit to using dBm instead of dBmV to adjust signal strength to optimal settings? My preference would be to use dBmV, to be consistent with my HDHomeRun Prime units.

Bonus Question: Is there any way visually to tell a FLEX 4K DEV from a FLEX 4K?

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The range for antenna is much wider but also fuzzy as it depends a lot on what else is being broadcast (how many TV frequencies and at what relative strength, FM being broadcast, LTE, etc)

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Re: Optimal Attenuation for HDHomeRun FLEX 4K DEV Units

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I just realized I forgot to include in my original post that I will only be using ATSC 1.0 for the foreseeable future, not sure whether that factors into the equation or not.

So if a signal strength range is hard to determine, should I at least be trying to keep the signal strength to 0dBmV or lower, similar to the Prime? Or is it not that straightforward either?

Any other guidelines or rules of thumb that I should be aware of?

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KeithAbbott wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:54 am I just realized I forgot to include in my original post that I will only be using ATSC 1.0 for the foreseeable future, not sure whether that factors into the equation or not.

So if a signal strength range is hard to determine, should I at least be trying to keep the signal strength to 0dBmV or lower, similar to the Prime? Or is it not that straightforward either?

Any other guidelines or rules of thumb that I should be aware of?
The signal level basically doesn't matter for broadcast TV until it impacts signal quality.

ie if signal quality is good call it good. If signal quality is poor then signal strength information can hint at what to look at.

I had a mast-head amplifier down to a 4 way splitter out to 4 pieces of equipment. After a few years the mast-head amplifier died so to confirm I bypassed it. The result - signal strength dropped on all channels, signal quality went up.

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OK, so it looks like I've been looking at this the wrong way. For OTA, instead of optimizing SignalStrengthDBmV, I should be optimizing SignalQualityDB. Is it safe to assume that higher SignalQualityDB is always better? Is it also safe to assume that if signal strength is too high and ultimately overdrives the internal splitter/tuner, that signal quality would drop as a result?

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KeithAbbott wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:04 pm OK, so it looks like I've been looking at this the wrong way. For OTA, instead of optimizing SignalStrengthDBmV, I should be optimizing SignalQualityDB.
Perfect.
KeithAbbott wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:04 pm Is it safe to assume that higher SignalQualityDB is always better?
Yes. It is a measurement is how close to ideal the signal is.
KeithAbbott wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:04 pm Is it also safe to assume that if signal strength is too high and ultimately overdrives the internal splitter/tuner, that signal quality would drop as a result?
Yes. It may not even be the channel you are looking at that is the cause.

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