Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

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rachel_norfolk
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Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by rachel_norfolk » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:23 am

I love my HD homerun, especially with Channels on my Apple TV. However, it would be orders of magnitude even better if I could have a tuner that worked with the hundreds and hundreds of unencrypted channels on European satellites.

Are there any plans, at all, to bring out a dvb-s2 compatible tuner??

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by SamuelC » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:15 pm

Trust me. You are not the only person hoping for a DVB-S2 compatible HDHomeRun tuner - there are many of us also waiting for the day, until then we have to either make use of internal/usb DVB-S2 cards or use horrid china-imported knockoffs.

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by jasonl » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:12 pm

I know we've had internal discussions about it dating back years, even getting to the point of having a board layout designed, but there are always sticking points that push it back behind other things we're working on. One of the big ones is that a lot of countries don't have true free-to-air signals available; instead they're "free to view", meaning there's no subscription but you still need to use an approved box that has been activated by the channel operator, and that means producing a device that enforces all the restrictions they want on the service (e.g. not allowing open access to recordings), and we really don't want to go that route except when it's in a product that can do full service with a subscription provider (like HDHomeRun PRIME). Australia's VAST service for people outside the coverage area of terrestrial broadcasts works this way. I know the UK's Freesat has done this on and off over the years for different channels as well, although I'm not entirely sure where they're at right now since it seems to change every time SES launches a new satellite.

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by jelockwood » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:55 pm

jasonl wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:12 pm
I know we've had internal discussions about it dating back years, even getting to the point of having a board layout designed, but there are always sticking points that push it back behind other things we're working on. One of the big ones is that a lot of countries don't have true free-to-air signals available; instead they're "free to view", meaning there's no subscription but you still need to use an approved box that has been activated by the channel operator, and that means producing a device that enforces all the restrictions they want on the service (e.g. not allowing open access to recordings), and we really don't want to go that route except when it's in a product that can do full service with a subscription provider (like HDHomeRun PRIME). Australia's VAST service for people outside the coverage area of terrestrial broadcasts works this way. I know the UK's Freesat has done this on and off over the years for different channels as well, although I'm not entirely sure where they're at right now since it seems to change every time SES launches a new satellite.
As you mention Freesat in the UK is free to air. They even use the phrase 'subscription free' as part of their marketing spiel on their website. See - https://www.freesat.co.uk/

It is possible some of your confusion has arisen from the fact the Sky in the UK has had a similarly named service. See - https://www.sky.com/shop/freesat/home/ this is intended as a way to 'encourage' you to later start subscribing to Sky's commercial service. There is also the fact that some Freesat set-top boxes also support Internet streams and those Internet streams are typically DRM protected. They call this HbbTV. See - https://www.hbbtv.org/overview/

Note: Freesat and Sky share some of the same satellites.

So Freesat is genuinely free and I have been hoping for a HDHomeRun for DVB-S2 for a long time especially since you 'teased' it as a forthcoming product alongside DVB-T2. (Your DVB-T2 tuner appeared eventually after a long delay thankfully.)

Based on the number of USB and PCIe DVB-S2 tuners there would seem to be sufficient demand. (They would mostly have the same difficulties with any encrypted transmissions.)

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by pelowj » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:24 am

Hopefully we can get this soon. Plenty of reason for it in Europe... there's loads of FTA satellite services available — For example, here in Ireland we have Saorsat providing Irish channels FTA. People regularly use the UK's Freesat service too to access British channels.

-jp

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by SpencerC » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:12 pm

Can someone tell me more about these dvb-s2 tuners? I am not familiar with them at all. Do you need some sort of antenna or dish on your roof to utilize them? Do they work in the US? What application are you using on your PC to tune in the channels?

Thanks!

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Post by Puud » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:14 pm

I have been waiting for a few years now. They talked about it a few years back and said plans were in The works. But nothing as yet. I am big fan of OTA I have 4 connect to 4 different antennas works great. I wish they would do a DVB-s2 even better DVB-s2x for future proof.

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by Plugers » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:49 pm

SpencerC wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:12 pm
Can someone tell me more about these dvb-s2 tuners? I am not familiar with them at all. Do you need some sort of antenna or dish on your roof to utilize them? Do they work in the US? What application are you using on your PC to tune in the channels?

Thanks!
You'll need a dish. 36" is a good minimum size.

Here's a site to show you what is available.
https://www.ftalist.com

And just Google "fta satellite" tons of information out there.

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by RoboJ1M » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:07 am

Is any part of the HDHomeRun specification open?

For instance, I used to be in a flat with an old BSkyB mini-dish on the wall.
So I added a PCIe DVB-S/S2 quad tuner to my MythTV box and gained access to Freesat on top of Freeview in the UK.
If the spec is open, it should be possible to write some software to mimic whatever web service or network service the HDHomeRun boxes present to each other.
Then, your HDHomeRun just instructs the DVB-S* box to tune and return the data from the satellite which the real HDHomeRun box then writes to your storage system.

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by RoboJ1M » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:37 am

jasonl wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:12 pm
I know we've had internal discussions about it dating back years, even getting to the point of having a board layout designed, but there are always sticking points that push it back behind other things we're working on. One of the big ones is that a lot of countries don't have true free-to-air signals available; instead they're "free to view", meaning there's no subscription but you still need to use an approved box that has been activated by the channel operator, and that means producing a device that enforces all the restrictions they want on the service (e.g. not allowing open access to recordings), and we really don't want to go that route except when it's in a product that can do full service with a subscription provider (like HDHomeRun PRIME). Australia's VAST service for people outside the coverage area of terrestrial broadcasts works this way. I know the UK's Freesat has done this on and off over the years for different channels as well, although I'm not entirely sure where they're at right now since it seems to change every time SES launches a new satellite.
How about this.
You could just add some USB ports to your tuners?
Or just provide an HDHomeRun box with no tuners internally, strictly for techie types to plug their own tuners into.
Or internal slots for tuners?

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Re: Are there any plans (at all!) to build a dvb-s2 (satellite) compatible tuner?

Post by jasonl » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:53 pm

The hardware isn't the hard part. There would be a significant amount of work involved on the firmware side to support DVB-S/S2, plus the work on the backend to support guide listings, and so on. We have to make sure the product would actually sell enough units to be commercially viable, and we're still not sure that such a product would sell significant numbers anywhere outside of the UK.

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