When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

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rrussis82
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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by rrussis82 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:46 pm

NYPlayer wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:19 pm
tsimitpo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:30 pm
At least one - then we'll see how it goes, because with padding each channel can end up using two tuners.
Using the HDHomerun app, channels, EMBY no way a channel takes up 2 tuners even with padding.
I think he meant this example. record 30 minute show on channel 1 at 8:30 with a 2 min before and after padding. and record channel 3 at 9:00 with a 2 minute padding before and after. 2 tuners being used between 8:58 and 9:02

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by mcewinter » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:58 am

Definitely buying the Prime 6 and passing my trusty 3 along to a friend.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by handyd » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:12 am

One.

I'm planning on dropping from my current 3 down to 1. ROI is about year since I'll be saving about $15/month from the cable cards.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by smassey22180 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:52 am

Until I can record DRM, there is no need for extra tuners. Premium apps are getting better and network programming is getting worse so there is not much need to fast forward through commercials anymore. SD has no feature road map to get me interested in the product line. And saying "soon" for 3 years is ridiculous.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by NYPlayer » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:21 am

Might not order any depends how Xfinity Instant TV looks like.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by rrussis82 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:11 am

NYPlayer wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:21 am
Might not order any depends how Xfinity Instant TV looks like.
Not looking very good to me. No outside home viewing, 2 consecutive streams at a time, pay a monthly fee, 20 hours cloud DVR that is non transferable.

Prime 6 with SD recording, or Emby looks much better for me, even if it is taking 3 years to come out.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by boogmeister1 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:31 am

rrussis82 wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:11 am
NYPlayer wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:21 am
Might not order any depends how Xfinity Instant TV looks like.
Not looking very good to me. No outside home viewing, 2 consecutive streams at a time, pay a monthly fee, 20 hours cloud DVR that is non transferable.

Prime 6 with SD recording, or Emby looks much better for me, even if it is taking 3 years to come out.
+1

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by Allen750 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:13 pm

One initially. Need the DVR of protected content to work, however. Need only work on one PC or TV for us -- like Mediia Center. Don't need whole house coverage.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by mldenison » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:37 am

Two - to replace my Ceton ETH's.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by Rickt1962 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:17 am

Ken.F wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:59 am
None until I can play back recorded DRM on Android. There's no point in buying new tuners if I can't use them.
I don't think its the tuners blocking DRM since I can play DRM using WMC its in the security of the video chip

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by BadBrent » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:12 am

The second the Prime 6 tuners are released I'm buying one to replace both of my current Prime tuners since Comcast charges me $14.95 for an additional "outlet fee" even there are no extra outlets even in my home...in fact there is only one outlet, and it splits from my cable modem to another splitter and then to the two Prime 3 boxes. Over the course of possibly 12 months I will be able to give up one CableCARD and possibly the new tuner will pay for itself after a year or so of usage. The current two tuners I have right now will be sold on eBay for hopefully about $100 each which will also help pay for the cost of the new tuner considering the hopeful MSRP of the new Prime will be around $200-300 for access to all six tuners. Ceton's ETH6 already does this, but their software is so horrible that it makes it unbearable to even attempt to get one device to play back six channels over one device that only has a 100mbit ethernet port, and it doesn't push out enough bandwidth to support six channels at once.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by JeffRand » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:31 pm

BadBrent wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:12 am
...one device that only has a 100mbit ethernet port, and it doesn't push out enough bandwidth to support six channels at once.
If I recall correctly, the Prime 6 is said to only have a 100mbps ethernet port.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by NedS » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:25 pm

It's technically possible that one could overwhelm 100meg ethernet, by finding the largest (bandwidth wise) channel example and multiplying that by six. It's just highly unlikely to come across that situation naturally, IMO, and is quite the edge case. Especially since a lot of cable providers are finally moving away from MPEG2, and onto h.264 (not nearly as fast as they should be moving, but that's the cable industry for you).

For example, I'm looking at my Comcast lineup on my "Prime 3", and there's only about 20 HD channels that are not using AVC/h.264. There are about 90 HD channels using AVC/h.264. The rest are SD channels using MPEG2. (roughly speaking, not counting those "music" channels, various movie/premium channels that I don't subscribe to, local community college channels that I ignore, and it's a bit confusing because Comcast repeats the entire lineup of channels twice, using two different channel orders, etc). Some of the MPEG2 "HD" channels appear to be 720, as well.

(slightly off topic, adding this up just now makes me realize how many channels Comcast has been giving me in pathetic SD quality. Ouch)

There are still a lot of cable providers that are still all-in on MPEG2, but even then, the average channel's bandwidth x 6 doesn't appear to max out a 100 meg ethernet connection.

I'm not trying to make excuses for anything, I'm honestly just trying to understand the situation. Do people actually anticipate 100 meg ethernet to be a bottleneck outside of edge cases?

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by rpcameron » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:38 pm

I'm in SoCal with Charter/Spectrum, and none of our HD channels are H.264. While most HD streams are usually about 8Mbps, I have seen them up to 15Mbps or so at times. While that's only 90Mbps, it's still quite a bit of bandwidth and could cause some issues, especially if you are streaming 6 HD sports streams. I can't figure out why they chose to go with 100Mbps, whereas the original Prime has GbE.

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Re: When the Prime 6 comes out, how many are you planning on getting

Post by signcarver » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:38 pm

Typically the only provider that will have issues is fios as it would be hard to come up with 6 that exceed 15Mbps with just about any other provider. Other than fios the typical use that may need more would be only valid for clear qam and that involves tuning the full physical channel.

Back when the prime came out there was much more clear qam which some may have wished tuning an entire physical channel Couple that with a 3rd tuner and the capability to switch/add cablecard often made it the logical choice for those on cable over a dual. There was also talk of more hd 3d programming that might take nearly a whole physical channel. As a result the decision back then was to go gigabit. If one has lots of clear qam, quatros probably make more sense than a prime 6 but they too can be bit starved if needing to tune by physical channel rather than virtual channel.

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