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ATSC 3.0: Boise

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https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/evoca ... hd-channel

BOISE, Idaho—Evoca has launched what it says is the first over-the-air 4K UHD channel in the U.S. via its ATSC 3.0 TV service. Insight TV, which features adventure-focused programming in 4K UHD picture quality, is now available to Evoca users in Boise 24/7.

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Re: ATSC 3.0: Boise

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Though I'd like SD to take a look at such and perhaps allow the app to eventually play such (I have a feeling an authorization standard will eventually come out for such services and decoding), I don't believe the post follows the rules of this forum as it (currently, or at least from my understanding) has nothing to do with SD as it requires a proprietary box to confirm your subscription and decrypt the signal)

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Ah, one of the paid OTA options that are basically like cable-OTA. If there's any chance we can support those kinds of services, we will try to do so, but it will take some time to find out what's possible and what the provider will allow.

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I am in the Boise area.
With firmware 20201015 my HDHR5-4K detected HEVC channels v34.1 on RF34 and v34.2 on RF33.
These channels are labeled BYUKCBB and BYUKBSE.
Using HDHomeRun Config Gui on Windows 10 I can see that there are other encrypted programs on these RF channels.
The new firmware allows me to play 34.1 and 34.2 with VLC.
EDIT: I can also play these channels with HDHR apps on Nvidia Shield and LG C9 HDTV. Windows 10 had to install a software HEVC codec and it plays poorly.
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Re: ATSC 3.0: Boise

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Can you list what is showing as encrypted?

- Trip

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hdhomerun_config 1080FA41 set /tuner0/channel atsc3:33
hdhomerun_config 1080FA41 get /tuner0/streaminfo
1: 100.97 Blmbrg (encrypted)
2: 100.247 CarsTV (encrypted)
7: 100.125 GSN (encrypted)
8: 100.142 Hallmrk (encrypted)
11: 100.241 MyDestn (encrypted)
12: 100.96 Outdoor (encrypted)
13: 100.192 Weather (encrypted)
14: 100.95 Sprtman (encrypted)
17: 34.2 BYUKBSE
hdhomerun_config 1080FA41 get /tuner0/status
ch=atsc3:33 lock=atsc3 ss=84 snq=98 seq=100 bps=0 pps=0
hdhomerun_config 1080FA41 get /tuner0/plpinfo
0: mod=qam1024 cod=11/15 bond=0 layer=core ti=cti lls=1 lock=1 errs=0
=====
hdhomerun_config 1080FA41 set /tuner0/channel atsc3:34
hdhomerun_config 1080FA41 get /tuner0/streaminfo
1: 100.90 Curiost (encrypted)
2: 34.1 BYUKCBB
5: 100.138 RFD (encrypted)
7: 100.196 Pursuit (encrypted)
12: 100.100 Evoca4k (encrypted)
hdhomerun_config 1080FA41 get /tuner0/status
ch=atsc3:34 lock=atsc3 ss=82 snq=100 seq=0 bps=0 pps=0
hdhomerun_config 1080FA41 get /tuner0/plpinfo
0: mod=qam256 cod=12/15 bond=0 layer=core ti=cti lls=1 lock=1 errs=0

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QAM1024 with 11/15 code rate should be a fun reception test. Trip, do you have any way to adjust your L-R plots based on the modulation and code rate for these stations? If I'm reading this chart right, QAM1024 11/15 will require about 5-8dB more SNR than legacy ATSC or the QAM256 9/15 or 11/15 PLPs that seem to be what most broadcasters are using.

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No, but you could just ignore the red part of the coverage area if you wanted to assume you need 10 dB more signal.

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Post by SageMyth »

Something changed over the weekend.
Using firmware 20201023 a channel scan does not show any HEVC tags on the device lineup page.
RF33 and RF34 still show the program streams in the Config GUI but v34.1 and v34.2 will not play with VLC.
They were playing last week.
Not sure if this is due to the broadcaster making changes or the firmware.

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The channel lineup on my HDHR5-4K shows two unencrypted HEVC channels in addition to the ATSC1.0 channels.
I have not been able to play these channels since October.
The HDHR clients I have tried are Win10, Nvidia Shield TV, iPad Pro, LG TV.
I have also tried using VLC to stream the channels.
Nothing works anymore.
Is there anyone in the Boise area that can watch the ATSC3 channels with the HDHR?

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SageMyth wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:02 am The channel lineup on my HDHR5-4K shows two unencrypted HEVC channels in addition to the ATSC1.0 channels.
I have not been able to play these channels since October.
The HDHR clients I have tried are Win10, Nvidia Shield TV, iPad Pro, LG TV.
I have also tried using VLC to stream the channels.
Nothing works anymore.
Is there anyone in the Boise area that can watch the ATSC3 channels with the HDHR?
The FCC site does not show any of your full service televisions stations having applied for NextGen/3.0 license so they are not broadcasting now nor will they be soon. It only shows applications for nextgen from July 2019 for two low power stations: KBSE-LD and KCBB-LD. The are both owned by Cocola Broadcasting Companies.

KCBB-LD, CH34 is Evoca, as mentioned in the beginning of this thread. They are a pay broadcast that requires you to rent their proprietary box and subscribe to their service. You cannot (and may never be able to) tune this broadcast with HDHR.
KBSE-LD, CH33 seems to be a second physical channel for Evoca as all the virtual channels here are encrypted, they align to stations shown on Evoca's website, and were applied for by the same company at that same time as KCBB.
https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php? ... gn=KBSE-LD

If you were able to tune anything on these CH it is possible they had a technical error where they left something unencrypted for a bit. Rabbit Ears doesn't show an encrypted icon next to ch33.17/v34.2 and 34.2/v34.1. I don't know if that is still the case or was just the case last time they updated. If they are still there and unencrypted, they might be showing something there that the HDHR could tune but it is being blocked for some reason like KUNS/Univision in Seattle where it had application code that is being broadcast with the signal. I do not know why EVOCA would leave two channels unencrypted unless it was just to advertise for their service or do some other sort of test.

Net is, barring some fix for 34.1 & 34.2 (if they are still unencrypted), it doesn't look like anyone in Boise will be able to tune any ATSC 3 stations unless they got a box from Evoca and are paying for that service. Emailing you local stations about when they are targeting atsc 3.0 is the only way to know when you might get 3.0 broadcasts from the major stations.

If you want them to take a look at the two stations, get a clip of each and post it to a share so they can see what is going on with them:
http://hdhomerun.local:5004/auto/v34.1? ... ration=120
http://hdhomerun.local:5004/auto/v34.2? ... ration=120

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Re: ATSC 3.0: Boise

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CBme wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:01 pm If you want them to take a look at the two stations, get a clip of each and post it to a share so they can see what is going on with them:
I did what you said and created a clip with the following command:

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wget "http://192.168.0.33:5004/auto/v134.1?format=dbg&duration=120" -O Boise134-1-20210117.mpeg
It is now on google drive and shared with this link (425MB)

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Edit: File Removed
Model: HDHR5-4K
Device ID: 1080FA41
Firmware: 20210105
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That big file size would indicate it is streaming (something) at an average of around 29mbit. Very interested to find out what that is.
Do you get a viewable file if you capture it without the "dbg" formatting?
http://192.168.0.33:5004/auto/v134.1?duration=20
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Re: ATSC 3.0: Boise

Post by SageMyth »

CBme wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:22 pm That big file size would indicate it is streaming (something) at an average of around 29mbit. Very interested to find out what that is.
Do you get a viewable file if you capture it without the "dbg" formatting?
When I try to capture without the "dbg" an error occurs.
No error when I get with "dbg".

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wget "http://192.168.0.33:5004/auto/v134.1?duration=30" -O Boise134-1-20210118.mpeg
--2021-01-18 07:30:05--  http://192.168.0.33:5004/auto/v134.1?duration=30
Connecting to 192.168.0.33:5004... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 503 Service Unavailable
2021-01-18 07:30:10 ERROR 503: Service Unavailable.

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SageMyth wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:16 pm It is now on google drive and shared with this link (425MB)
The video/audio format seems to be H264/AAC-PS which is odd.

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