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Re: HDHomeRun QUATRO 4K for ATSC 3.0

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NedS wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:57 pm Apple TV, and getting an official HDHomeRun app of some kind (for all of our products, both ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0) is still a priority for us.
Be careful with the word priority, some think that means get it done asap. whereas some think it means something we would really like to do.

I discovered this in a meeting once where we as PMs said 'prioritize' which meant put it on the sort ordered list of things to do (some things never get done...), someone else thought we meant - make it happen asap.

My guess is you meant 'important', though i would love to be wrong and get it ASAP lol.

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Re: HDHomeRun QUATRO 4K for ATSC 3.0

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nickk wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:06 pm
buffalotuner wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:36 am Has the sensitivity of the tuners in this product increased in comparison with the current Quatro?

I am wondering if I can expect any improvement in reception of far-away channels. I know the error correcting of ATSC 3.0 has been improved, I am asking in regards to ATSC 1.0 channels
There are multiple factors.

The first is small signal performance (test where the signal is clean but very very weak so you are testing the noise floor of the hardware). Both the HDHomeRun CONNECT QUATRO and HDHomeRun QUATRO 4K have very good small signal performance. Both out perform our older models.

The second is real world noisy signals where the demodulation has to deal with all the different types of outside noise. The weaker the signal the more outside noise matters.
We have found that different demodulators are better or worse at different types of noisy environments.
The QUATRO 4K uses a latest generation demodulator that we expect to perform well in most environments.

Nick
Also, ATSC 3.0 "Next Gen" TV is supposed to do better than the current standard with signal loss so, in theory, we should all receive a better/stronger ATSC 3.0 signal from the stations on the same power levels and towers as today.

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The current priority logic is highest vertical pixel count, followed by codec priority (HEVC = higher priority), followed by signal quality.

We are looking at ways of enabling user selection.

Nick

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Jjjordanov wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:18 pm PoE, pretty pleeeeease.
+1. This would be a cool option and solve some placement/power issues as well.

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zaytar wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:35 am
Jjjordanov wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:18 pm PoE, pretty pleeeeease.
+1. This would be a cool option and solve some placement/power issues as well.
Great idea!!!!!

+1000

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nickk wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:08 am The current priority logic is highest vertical pixel count, followed by codec priority (HEVC = higher priority), followed by signal quality.

We are looking at ways of enabling user selection.

Nick
nick i assume this is in response to this question? Question: how will DVR solutions (e.g. JellyFin, Plex), etc. prioritize the ATSC 3.0 HEVC stream for either tuning or recording over the simulcast ATSC 1.0 MPEG stream?

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Re: HDHomeRun QUATRO 4K for ATSC 3.0

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mrfrankmrfrank wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:28 am Question: how will DVR solutions (e.g. JellyFin, Plex), etc. prioritize the ATSC 3.0 HEVC stream for either tuning or recording over the simulcast ATSC 1.0 MPEG stream?
That's something you should ask the Plex and Jellyfin developers. They might do something completely different, or decide to not support it at all.

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Ken.F wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:17 am
mrfrankmrfrank wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:28 am Question: how will DVR solutions (e.g. JellyFin, Plex), etc. prioritize the ATSC 3.0 HEVC stream for either tuning or recording over the simulcast ATSC 1.0 MPEG stream?
That's something you should ask the Plex and Jellyfin developers. They might do something completely different, or decide to not support it at all.
Emby has already confirmed support for the Quatro 4K

https://emby.media/community/index.php? ... -july-eta/

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Question about the August 2020 group of tuners. I missed the July 2020 batch and am seriously considering buying from the August batch. Do you need to sell all 3000 for that batch to be produced?

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shawn_75 wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:52 pm Question about the August 2020 group of tuners. I missed the July 2020 batch and am seriously considering buying from the August batch. Do you need to sell all 3000 for that batch to be produced?
No, we will build as many as needed for the Kickstarter (up to 3000).

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nickk wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:43 am
Lone Browncoat wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:28 am
NefCanuck wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:33 am I asked this question on the Kickstarter FAQ but wanted to expand a bit on it here.

I live in Mississauga, ON Canada which means I can get signals from Buffalo, NY (in fact I can get more channels from Buffalo than I get from the Canadian sources) and if I read the post correctly, Buffalo would be on the list of markets that would get 4K OTA broadcasts.

The Kickstarter lists US only, is that a hard and fast rule or could Canadian border communities get in on this?

NefCanuck

We figured out a way to ship to you in Canada - the Kickstarter has been updated to support Canada with a $10 shipping change.

Nick
Thank you Nick, pledged for the tuner & DVR solution.

NefCanuck

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Ken.F wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:17 am
mrfrankmrfrank wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:28 am Question: how will DVR solutions (e.g. JellyFin, Plex), etc. prioritize the ATSC 3.0 HEVC stream for either tuning or recording over the simulcast ATSC 1.0 MPEG stream?
That's something you should ask the Plex and Jellyfin developers. They might do something completely different, or decide to not support it at all.
I'm specifically using tvheadend. I export a .m3u of my prime tuners which lists the address of each channel. http://192.168.2.188:5004/auto/v124 for example. Then I have tvheadend to know there are 3 available tuners able to use that .m3u How the selection of which tuner of the available 3 in my prime at address 192.168.2.188 happens is unknown to me. I'd assume the prime serves an available tuner as it is requested. For example I can put http://192.168.2.188:5004/auto/v124 into vlc and start watching the channel, how that tuner was selected must have happened on the prime. How tvheadend would select the 4k stream / hevc stream I'd assume would come from some sort of auto selection on the quatro

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Re: HDHomeRun QUATRO 4K for ATSC 3.0

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mrfrankmrfrank wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:59 pm How the selection of which tuner of the available 3 in my prime at address 192.168.2.188 happens is unknown to me. I'd assume the prime serves an available tuner as it is requested. For example I can put http://192.168.2.188:5004/auto/v124 into vlc and start watching the channel, how that tuner was selected must have happened on the prime.
If you wish, you can change "auto" in the URL to specify which tuner you'd like used, such as "tuner0".

(Also, current versions of Tvheadend should allow you to use the Prime and specify the virtual channel number. You'll have to manually add each channel, but you don't need to use the m3u workaround.)

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rpcameron wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:40 pm
mrfrankmrfrank wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:59 pm How the selection of which tuner of the available 3 in my prime at address 192.168.2.188 happens is unknown to me. I'd assume the prime serves an available tuner as it is requested. For example I can put http://192.168.2.188:5004/auto/v124 into vlc and start watching the channel, how that tuner was selected must have happened on the prime.
If you wish, you can change "auto" in the URL to specify which tuner you'd like used, such as "tuner0".

(Also, current versions of Tvheadend should allow you to use the Prime and specify the virtual channel number. You'll have to manually add each channel, but you don't need to use the m3u workaround.)
I didn't know you could specify tuner in the url. I assume auto stands for auto select tuner then. which if this new quatro operates the same way... auto would probably prioritize the atsc 3.0 tuners first and secondly.

I actually quite enjoy the m3u setup on tvheadend without having to add them manually as it has been working great for a year or so now.

Thanks for the tip!

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Re: HDHomeRun QUATRO 4K for ATSC 3.0

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I am wondering if LG 2019 UHD smart TV's will support this

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