Feedback on new Discover Now

Discussion of the new user interface for the HDHomeRun app.
Post Reply
NYPlayer
Posts: 3538
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:45 am
Device ID: 104112F4,104162C4,10438DAD,10438DF5,10701381,13147C7B,131A192A
Location: Portland OR, 97217

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by NYPlayer » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:05 am

When I select a movie on Discover it shows the channel the date and not the time … I like to record my Movies outside of Prime Time as I do not want to impact any Prime Time new shows. I see 2 or more occurrences of the Movie but no time is shown.
\
Image

DebbieFL33
Posts: 874
Joined: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:17 pm
Device ID: 1318CAEB

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by DebbieFL33 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:23 pm

While my preference to see Discover Movies in Date/Time order (of first airing)...I agree with @NYPlayer, the deletion of the airing “Time” on the detail airings page makes the new UI Discover almost useless.

grumpygramp
Posts: 222
Joined: Sun May 03, 2015 2:42 pm

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by grumpygramp » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:10 pm

NYPlayer wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:05 am
When I select a movie on Discover it shows the channel the date and not the time … I like to record my Movies outside of Prime Time as I do not want to impact any Prime Time new shows. I see 2 or more occurrences of the Movie but no time is shown.
\
DebbieFL33 wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:23 pm
While my preference to see Discover Movies in Date/Time order (of first airing)...I agree with @NYPlayer, the deletion of the airing “Time” on the detail airings page makes the new UI Discover almost useless.
I agree with NYPlayer and DebbieFL33; we definitely need the airing time back. I would also like to see the channel name back (so I can record on a commercial free channel) and the font needs to made smaller or the description area needs to be made bigger so you can see the end of the summary and the star rating of the movie. The new discovery clipped the following: Race and galvanized the world. (3.5/4.0)

Image

Image

NYPlayer
Posts: 3538
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:45 am
Device ID: 104112F4,104162C4,10438DAD,10438DF5,10701381,13147C7B,131A192A
Location: Portland OR, 97217

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by NYPlayer » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:19 pm

Wow they really did go backwards with the new Discover far less info. Not useful at all.

bruiserker
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed May 06, 2015 12:27 pm

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by bruiserker » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:35 pm

bruiserker wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:53 pm
Serious question; if we're not to discuss a grid guide here, where should we? Sounds like you don't want any discussion about a grid guide.
nateb wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:31 am
At the moment, no where. But that doesn't mean no where forever. The reason we're having this particular discussion now is because Discover Now, as it is in the beta, is virtually a new feature. It's dramatically altered from how it used to be, and getting feedback on that alteration is useful. Once we get out of beta, I'll see about starting some running threads on frequently requested features. In particular, it seems clear that getting a running thread on grids and a thread on recording conflicts will be pretty handy.
[removed by moderator]
bruiserker wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:53 pm
You want criticism of discovery? Here
Icons are terrible. They take extra bandwidth and memory. Don't display enough information, and don't need to do the same function as the DVDs in Blockbuster or Walmart. It's not your job to "sell" programming to people, like the producers of those DVDs have to do with their flashy covers.

The ordering makes no sense and your arbitrary idea of how things should be listed is ridiculous. What may be popular to you may mean Jack to me and have me scrolling through a ton of crap just to find what I like. What is your proposal to help make the things I like more accessible? I know how I would like you to fix it, but you don't want to discuss my preference.

Is that the feedback you're looking for?
nateb wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:31 am
The first paragraph is not feedback that's helpful. It's just another way of saying "I hate any form of content discovery."
No, I'm saying that it takes more work for my tablet/surface/laptop to load all of those icons, especially if I'm scrolling quickly, than if it was text. I have to stop and wait for the UI to catch up, and your explanation for using them doesn't make sense. Constructive.
nateb wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:31 am
The second paragraph is potentially useful, though it'd be helpful if you included a different, preferred way of ordering. It *sounds* as though you'd prefer the list of shows be ordered in channel order, which frankly is far more arbitrary than "what's a new series, followed by what's a new season."

Just as an example, where I live ordering by channel you get you: Cooking with Emeril (paid programming), Spanish language Premier League futbol, a rerun of NCIS: LA, Dog Tales, and The Greatest Story Ever Told on the top row.

Any time the top row gets you paid programming, the top row has failed.
I think you need to look up the word "arbitrary". Channel order is logical and for the most part static, yours is based on whim and can change without any knowing. With my preference I can use my number pad and jump to any point in the list to see what's on my preferred channels, with yours I have to scroll through whatever you decide is more important (arbitrary) than what I'd like to see. In your world I scroll through a ton of crap, in mine you scroll through a ton of crap. There's no getting around that.

As I have said previously this is about a person who channel surfs vs. a person who program surfs. You guys obviously look down on or just don't give a chuckle about channel surfers.

I'm done. I'll look for a response, but I'm not going to answer it. If I don't see one, I'll check back in a few months to see where you guys are.

I see so much of the Gnome Desktop developers in what I read here.

DebbieFL33
Posts: 874
Joined: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:17 pm
Device ID: 1318CAEB

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by DebbieFL33 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:46 pm

As the description of the show is now getting cutoff due to the larger font (see@grumpygramp above)...another solution (rather than enlarging total space) would be to add “more” icon at present end which then presents the full description on the dropdown.

nickk
Silicondust
Posts: 15425
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:39 am

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by nickk » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:54 pm

bruiserker wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:35 pm
As I have said previously this is about a person who channel surfs vs. a person who program surfs. You guys obviously look down on or just don't give a chuckle about channel surfers.
The Live TV view is channel centric for channel surfing. The Discover view is for discovering new programs you maybe haven't heard of before.

We understand that not everyone will find Discover useful - that is ok as long as some customers find it useful.

For channel surfers we provide a fast channel change time and we present guide in such a way that you can see what is on other channels without interrupting viewing.

Nick

nateb
Silicondust
Posts: 813
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:22 pm
Device ID: 1051C73D, 10759F29

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by nateb » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:44 am

bruiserker wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:35 pm
I think you need to look up the word "arbitrary". Channel order is logical and for the most part static, yours is based on whim and can change without any knowing.
I'm genuinely interested in how you can say channel order is logical. Right now, channel order in the US is based on one of two things: human created groupings (for cable networks), where randomly humans arbitrarily decided that certain channels are similar and grouped them, and then further arbitrarily decided where int he many hundreds of channels those groups should go. Or, in the case of Over the Air, contractual agreements, where network channels were placed where they could buy some space from the federal government or in the case of sub-channels where they could convince the local operator to distribute their content. Neither of these scenarios would provide a logical rule to describe which channel should always be first, which should always be second, etc. I think you may be confusing static and predictable with non-arbitrary.

The Discovery guide is literally the opposite of this. Rather than having some human randomly decide which shows go where, show ordering is based on an algorithm that will always order shows exactly the same way, based on the set of factors those shows provide. It is not static, but that is because the factors in the algorithm are designed around discovery, and an algorithm that tried to get a person to discover the same old shows over time isn't very good at discovering new shows. Similarly, an algorithm that highlights shows unworthy of discovery (like the paid programming from last post) is doing a very, very bad job.

I gather than you want to channel surf, but as Nick says, we already have a different section for that that's designed pretty specifically for channel surfing. That's not the point of Discover.

nateb
Silicondust
Posts: 813
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:22 pm
Device ID: 1051C73D, 10759F29

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by nateb » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:46 am

DebbieFL33 wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:46 pm
As the description of the show is now getting cutoff due to the larger font (see@grumpygramp above)...another solution (rather than enlarging total space) would be to add “more” icon at present end which then presents the full description on the dropdown.
Not a bad suggestion. I think we'll be covering a few different size related issues this week, so we'll add this to the list.

nickk
Silicondust
Posts: 15425
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:39 am

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by nickk » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:24 am

New feature for channel centric usage...

In Discover you can now search for a channel number to see shows on that channel. You can optionally add additional search terms after the channel number.

For example:
Searching for "6.1" will return all shows on that channel in the next two weeks.
Searching for "6.1 food" will return all shows containing the search term "food" on channel 6.1 in the next two weeks.

This feature just went live.

Nick

NYPlayer
Posts: 3538
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:45 am
Device ID: 104112F4,104162C4,10438DAD,10438DF5,10701381,13147C7B,131A192A
Location: Portland OR, 97217

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by NYPlayer » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:25 am

When I go to search in discover section on the Shield it brings up the keyboard … I type in the show then hit done … I can see the button press but it does not do anything.

Ken.F
Posts: 2075
Joined: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:20 am
Device ID: 1041A706, 1043EB32, 104BAD9E, 13168DC5, 1322A7AC
Location: West Rockhill, PA

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by Ken.F » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:27 am

nickk wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:24 am
In Discover you can now search for a channel number to see shows on that channel. You can optionally add additional search terms after the channel number.
Thank you! This is the best thing to come to HDHomeRun DVR since DRM support for live TV.

NYPlayer
Posts: 3538
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:45 am
Device ID: 104112F4,104162C4,10438DAD,10438DF5,10701381,13147C7B,131A192A
Location: Portland OR, 97217

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by NYPlayer » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:31 am

Ken.F wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:27 am
nickk wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:24 am
In Discover you can now search for a channel number to see shows on that channel. You can optionally add additional search terms after the channel number.
Thank you! This is the best thing to come to HDHomeRun DVR since DRM support for live TV.
I cannot even get search to work on my shield.

Ken.F
Posts: 2075
Joined: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:20 am
Device ID: 1041A706, 1043EB32, 104BAD9E, 13168DC5, 1322A7AC
Location: West Rockhill, PA

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by Ken.F » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:58 am

NYPlayer wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:31 am
I cannot even get search to work on my shield.
Search seems to be broken in the new UI. It works fine in the old UI.

DebbieFL33
Posts: 874
Joined: Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:17 pm
Device ID: 1318CAEB

Re: Feedback on new Discover Now

Post by DebbieFL33 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:07 pm

New UI: channel filter

This is awesome. Just found 2 shows I would have missed on DRM channels. Will be perfect when DRM recording is added :D

At least for now I can use the filter to find shows/movies on DRM channels that I may want to watch live.

As a further note...is there anyway you can add keeping the last search term on Discovery...now I have to keep re-inputting channel number everytime I return from the drop down to the detail page.

Thank you SD was adding this new valuable feature.

Post Reply