Is the PRIME 6 soon to be released?

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cbdudek
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If my HDHomerun Prime dies, I won't bother getting another one. I will just subscribe to Youtube TV, Sling, or some other online provider and cancel my TV service through Comcast. I know I will probably spend a bit more doing this, but even if I spend $20 more a month, and the cost of the HDHomerun Prime 6 will cost $250, it will take me over a year to just break even on the hardware. I won't have to mess around with local storage for keeping TV recordings either.

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rrussis82 wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:05 pm
turbotaylor wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am I think after the FCC released the CableCard mandate it won't be long before you can't get one anymore. And honestly, I did the numbers and it's honestly no longer a cost savings.

I dug out my HomeRunPrime yesterday and went and got a cable card from Spectrum. The guy said this was the last one in their office.

With taxes and fees, for the cheapest cable package, it'll be $64.59 a month. YouTube TV has nearly the identical lineup with actually more sports for, you guessed it, $64.99 a month. With unlimited DVR and 6 simultaneous streams.

I also had to get the tuning adapter. Had lots of trouble activating the card and come to find out, my apartment has not been served with Spectrum (or Charter) since 2015!! We have Google Fiber at this complex and back when it was installed they were still doing the IPTV package, so I'm assuming that's what most people did. Now, between that time and the current streaming times, no one has bothered getting cable here. So now I have to make an appointment, wait for a tech to come out and figure out what is wrong with the wiring... It's no wonder people are DONE with cable. Talk about hassle.

Folks, do not expect SiliconDust to keep investing in this product. As another person said, the media center days are over and I think we all need to face it. I'm considering taking the cable card back, but idk maybe I want to enjoy these last few years of CableCard glory.
As long as cable companies still support it, I will still continue to use a cablecard. In regards to streaming services providing unlimited DVR, what if YouTube TV decides it is no longer profitable to provide streaming, and shuts down the service, you will lose your DVR collection. What if a movie gets flagged as "racist" like for example, gone with the wind, youtube will remove it from your DVR to be "politically correct". It is not a true DVR, but more like an ondemand feature that gets booked marked as your DVR. as long as they still keep it in their database you are good to watch it on their platform. With SiliconDust, that movie is a file stored on my equipment that (as long as it isn't DRM when that becomes a possibility) can be watched on any platform and will only be removed when I want it removed, or my equipment dies without a backup. Even if SD changes it's business model and no longer provides this service, the files are still mine to watch. That is what is so great about this product that streaming will never provide.
Long term storage is a moot point on these services. Most of them only allow you to store recordings for 30 or 90 days at most.

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GetMatt wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:41 pm
rrussis82 wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:05 pm
turbotaylor wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am I think after the FCC released the CableCard mandate it won't be long before you can't get one anymore. And honestly, I did the numbers and it's honestly no longer a cost savings.

I dug out my HomeRunPrime yesterday and went and got a cable card from Spectrum. The guy said this was the last one in their office.

With taxes and fees, for the cheapest cable package, it'll be $64.59 a month. YouTube TV has nearly the identical lineup with actually more sports for, you guessed it, $64.99 a month. With unlimited DVR and 6 simultaneous streams.

I also had to get the tuning adapter. Had lots of trouble activating the card and come to find out, my apartment has not been served with Spectrum (or Charter) since 2015!! We have Google Fiber at this complex and back when it was installed they were still doing the IPTV package, so I'm assuming that's what most people did. Now, between that time and the current streaming times, no one has bothered getting cable here. So now I have to make an appointment, wait for a tech to come out and figure out what is wrong with the wiring... It's no wonder people are DONE with cable. Talk about hassle.

Folks, do not expect SiliconDust to keep investing in this product. As another person said, the media center days are over and I think we all need to face it. I'm considering taking the cable card back, but idk maybe I want to enjoy these last few years of CableCard glory.
As long as cable companies still support it, I will still continue to use a cablecard. In regards to streaming services providing unlimited DVR, what if YouTube TV decides it is no longer profitable to provide streaming, and shuts down the service, you will lose your DVR collection. What if a movie gets flagged as "racist" like for example, gone with the wind, youtube will remove it from your DVR to be "politically correct". It is not a true DVR, but more like an ondemand feature that gets booked marked as your DVR. as long as they still keep it in their database you are good to watch it on their platform. With SiliconDust, that movie is a file stored on my equipment that (as long as it isn't DRM when that becomes a possibility) can be watched on any platform and will only be removed when I want it removed, or my equipment dies without a backup. Even if SD changes it's business model and no longer provides this service, the files are still mine to watch. That is what is so great about this product that streaming will never provide.
Long term storage is a moot point on these services. Most of them only allow you to store recordings for 30 or 90 days at most.
And what happens if you lose internet? you cannot watch them. With SiliconDust, I can still watch my movies and shows I recorded through VLC if I lose internet for long term. It is 2020, crazy things are happening this year and you cannot rule out losing internet for long term, whether you cannot afford it, or some catastrophic thing happens, or worse the apocalypse? with a generator, I can power up my TV and watch my recordings.... you can't with youtubeTV… Like I said earlier I would prefer to keep cable card as long as I can and have my recordings than to move to some streaming service for cable. I will buy another prime device when it come out.

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rrussis82 wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:05 pm
turbotaylor wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am I think after the FCC released the CableCard mandate it won't be long before you can't get one anymore. And honestly, I did the numbers and it's honestly no longer a cost savings.

I dug out my HomeRunPrime yesterday and went and got a cable card from Spectrum. The guy said this was the last one in their office.

With taxes and fees, for the cheapest cable package, it'll be $64.59 a month. YouTube TV has nearly the identical lineup with actually more sports for, you guessed it, $64.99 a month. With unlimited DVR and 6 simultaneous streams.

I also had to get the tuning adapter. Had lots of trouble activating the card and come to find out, my apartment has not been served with Spectrum (or Charter) since 2015!! We have Google Fiber at this complex and back when it was installed they were still doing the IPTV package, so I'm assuming that's what most people did. Now, between that time and the current streaming times, no one has bothered getting cable here. So now I have to make an appointment, wait for a tech to come out and figure out what is wrong with the wiring... It's no wonder people are DONE with cable. Talk about hassle.

Folks, do not expect SiliconDust to keep investing in this product. As another person said, the media center days are over and I think we all need to face it. I'm considering taking the cable card back, but idk maybe I want to enjoy these last few years of CableCard glory.
As long as cable companies still support it, I will still continue to use a cablecard. In regards to streaming services providing unlimited DVR, what if YouTube TV decides it is no longer profitable to provide streaming, and shuts down the service, you will lose your DVR collection. What if a movie gets flagged as "racist" like for example, gone with the wind, youtube will remove it from your DVR to be "politically correct". It is not a true DVR, but more like an ondemand feature that gets booked marked as your DVR. as long as they still keep it in their database you are good to watch it on their platform. With SiliconDust, that movie is a file stored on my equipment that (as long as it isn't DRM when that becomes a possibility) can be watched on any platform and will only be removed when I want it removed, or my equipment dies without a backup. Even if SD changes it's business model and no longer provides this service, the files are still mine to watch. That is what is so great about this product that streaming will never provide.
You made some very good and valid points. My prime 3 died and I was thinking about going to YouTubeTV. Now you got me thinking. I only wanted to do that because I didn’t have any interest in paying 200 bucks for a prime. $120 is the most I will pay since that is its actual price but everyone is selling it extremely high right now.

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breezytm wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:06 am
rrussis82 wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:05 pm
turbotaylor wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:59 am I think after the FCC released the CableCard mandate it won't be long before you can't get one anymore. And honestly, I did the numbers and it's honestly no longer a cost savings.

I dug out my HomeRunPrime yesterday and went and got a cable card from Spectrum. The guy said this was the last one in their office.

With taxes and fees, for the cheapest cable package, it'll be $64.59 a month. YouTube TV has nearly the identical lineup with actually more sports for, you guessed it, $64.99 a month. With unlimited DVR and 6 simultaneous streams.

I also had to get the tuning adapter. Had lots of trouble activating the card and come to find out, my apartment has not been served with Spectrum (or Charter) since 2015!! We have Google Fiber at this complex and back when it was installed they were still doing the IPTV package, so I'm assuming that's what most people did. Now, between that time and the current streaming times, no one has bothered getting cable here. So now I have to make an appointment, wait for a tech to come out and figure out what is wrong with the wiring... It's no wonder people are DONE with cable. Talk about hassle.

Folks, do not expect SiliconDust to keep investing in this product. As another person said, the media center days are over and I think we all need to face it. I'm considering taking the cable card back, but idk maybe I want to enjoy these last few years of CableCard glory.
As long as cable companies still support it, I will still continue to use a cablecard. In regards to streaming services providing unlimited DVR, what if YouTube TV decides it is no longer profitable to provide streaming, and shuts down the service, you will lose your DVR collection. What if a movie gets flagged as "racist" like for example, gone with the wind, youtube will remove it from your DVR to be "politically correct". It is not a true DVR, but more like an ondemand feature that gets booked marked as your DVR. as long as they still keep it in their database you are good to watch it on their platform. With SiliconDust, that movie is a file stored on my equipment that (as long as it isn't DRM when that becomes a possibility) can be watched on any platform and will only be removed when I want it removed, or my equipment dies without a backup. Even if SD changes it's business model and no longer provides this service, the files are still mine to watch. That is what is so great about this product that streaming will never provide.
You made some very good and valid points. My prime 3 died and I was thinking about going to YouTubeTV. Now you got me thinking. I only wanted to do that because I didn’t have any interest in paying 200 bucks for a prime. $120 is the most I will pay since that is its actual price but everyone is selling it extremely high right now.
reach out to support, maybe they can refurbish it for you at a cheaper price

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The original HDHomeRun PRIME (3 tuner) is back for a limited time: https://shop.silicondust.com/shop/produ ... lto=410844

Normal price is $199.99, but non-commercial customers can use coupon code PRIME2020 and knock $50 off the price for a total of $149.99 (limit 2).

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I hope the cable companies support CableCard for a long time I just ordered another Prime 3 as a backup in case my first one goes bad but they are very reliable.
I think it is in the cable companies financial interest to keep supporting CableCard otherwise people will switch to internet steaming.

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Would love if you guys add the DVR engine too and a hard drive bay.

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I don't want another Prime since it will need another cable card! I want a Prime 6 for the cable card that I already have!!!!! The moment my current prime tuner dies is when I cancel my cable service completely. I can't even return my cable box because they can't take it off my account now!!! I will need to get rid of cable all together in order to return this defunct piece of hardware. I backed the ATSC 3.0 box + servio via Kickstarter but for backup reasons in case cable is down but I don't understand SiliconDust didn't do a Kickstarter for Prime 6!?!?!? At least a Kickstarter would've give the company hard numbers for interest on producing this device which took so long to make, that idiots running the FCC saw no reason to continue this mandate. Now these cable tv providers can charge subscribers anything they want with their over price boxes that users will be forced to rent instead of having the choice of a product that doesn't even exist now! Silicon Dust is now complicit in killing the cable tv service along with hurting the isp industry when people move over to streaming services and burdening isp's bandwidth which will then force raise subscription rates due to revenue lost from cable tv. It's a slippery slope this decision Silicon Dust is making and no doubt it will be worse than what happened to Ceton Corp unless they do something to keep this alternative alive. The next nail in the coffin will be over air content being locked down by another dumb decision by the FCC where these companies need to start charging for OTA broadcasts.

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The FCC just killed the cablecard so i dont think the prime 6 will ever be released. Here is the link to Lon Seidman reporting it.

https://youtu.be/m7uaLbvJ7qU

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The FCC made Cable card support not required but we dont really know for sure what the Cable companies will do related to keeping cablecard support but I hope they decided to keep it. i.e.Cable card is the only reason I still keep my cable TV service, so I would think there are enough financial forces to support cable card for cable companies. After all we do pay for each card rental as well.
As an analogy may cable companies provide/pay for Nomorobo support to filter out spam calls to keep customers happy with their cable phone lines and Nomorobo is free to customers.

I was telling my family the Prime 6 was coming, but now I cannot.

Is there a web site for the FCC we can complain to do reinstate the cablecard mandate?

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I'm committed to using mythtv which works very well with Comcast and the cable card hdhomerun. Like everyone else I've been waiting forever for the Prime 6, which is now DOA. In normal times, I occasionally need more than 3 tuners, though not during the pandemic. Since I don't know of an alternative with mythtv, I bought one of the $150 prime 3's as insurance. I don't have any plan to pay another monthly cable card rental, its really insurance against my many year old one failing. I may use it for OTA redundancy without a cable card, for the locals I can get. I'm in a building who's construction is not great for reception.

I'm committed to mythtv, but not necessarily Comcast. I'm not aware of any streaming service that gets the usual cable channels that mythtv can capture and save. I don't want the providers DVR which have limitations on skipping commercials, total amounts and expiration times.

So it looks like Comcast and cablecard for as long as they support it.

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km wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:41 am I'm committed to using mythtv which works very well with Comcast and the cable card hdhomerun. Like everyone else I've been waiting forever for the Prime 6, which is now DOA. In normal times, I occasionally need more than 3 tuners, though not during the pandemic. Since I don't know of an alternative with mythtv, I bought one of the $150 prime 3's as insurance. I don't have any plan to pay another monthly cable card rental, its really insurance against my many year old one failing. I may use it for OTA redundancy without a cable card, for the locals I can get. I'm in a building who's construction is not great for reception.

I'm committed to mythtv, but not necessarily Comcast. I'm not aware of any streaming service that gets the usual cable channels that mythtv can capture and save. I don't want the providers DVR which have limitations on skipping commercials, total amounts and expiration times.

So it looks like Comcast and cablecard for as long as they support it.
I'm not aware of any comcast markets that still have clear qam, please mention the market that is still available... the prime is not capable of OTA

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signcarver wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:47 am I'm not aware of any comcast markets that still have clear qam, please mention the market that is still available... the prime is not capable of OTA
Sorry, you are quite right, no OTA tuner on the cable card HDHR. I also have an old Tivo that does both, and I forgot. Also I didn't mean to imply that Comcast was clear QAM, a scan shows everything is encrypted. I guess the insurance HDHR just will sit in the unopened box unless I ever decide to try and get another cablecard.

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FYI, I filed a Consumer complaint to the FCC against the FCC removing the CableCard requirement from Cable companies and ask that they reinstate the requirement since CableCard support saves myself and may others hundreds of dollars a year.

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