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mcewinter
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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by mcewinter » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:39 am

If they are indeed working on an ATSC 3.0 tuner, then that might explain the delay in the Prime as other products (Servio/Scribe) have delayed it in the past. That said, I'm not convinced that they are working on an ATSC 3.0 tuner.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by shspvr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:44 am

mcewinter wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:39 am
If they are indeed working on an ATSC 3.0 tuner, then that might explain the delay in the Prime as other products (Servio/Scribe) have delayed it in the past. That said, I'm not convinced that they are working on an ATSC 3.0 tuner.
I agree but we only see 1 tuner model and TV set at first with in the next 6 to 9 mos this year then maybe by 2021Q2/22Q1 then the dual tuner or possible even quad tuner because of right now, the cost is over $1k for the full developer kit, but a retail version was reportedly be a lot less expensive any where form $50 to $100 for single tuner PC USB or PCIe model I would imagine that the STB model will cost more due to fact that they need have onboard HEVC hardware decoder and sure some will have DVR function we just have wait at see.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by hotshot2k3 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:26 am

I am getting worried this will no longer be up able to withstand the future.

Fios 4k broadcasts are 25 Mbps. I think that is actually a very conservative bitrate for 4k

When 4k becomes more common there is no way this thing will be able to record 6 4k broadcasts at once with 100 Mbs Ethernet

So if this thing has not even gone into production yet due to cablelabs certification I would seriosly consider updating at least the Ethernet.

There is no video or audio decoding done on the tuner so we just need a bigger pipe to send out data

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by shspvr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:15 am

hotshot2k3 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:26 am
I am getting worried this will no longer be up able to withstand the future.

Fios 4k broadcasts are 25 Mbps. I think that is actually a very conservative bitrate for 4k

When 4k becomes more common there is no way this thing will be able to record 6 4k broadcasts at once with 100 Mbs Ethernet

So if this thing has not even gone into production yet due to cablelabs certification I would seriosly consider updating at least the Ethernet.

There is no video or audio decoding done on the tuner so we just need a bigger pipe to send out data
Each 100 Mbps Ethernet can easy handle 1 steam with over head depend on the bitrate that used at very Maximum of 57 Mbit/s, As long there on a Gigabit Ethernet switch or hub they work just fine when add more tuner a cross a local network if that what your asking hotshot2k3.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by scyto » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:32 pm

mcewinter wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:15 pm
scyto wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:04 pm
mcewinter wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:08 am
Can somebody from SD confirm that the Prime 6 is still in active development? We (all of us) had our hopes up before only to find out that the project was scrapped or postponed due to the development of other products.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHlHvhaXqz8
They have clearly stated this several times over the holiday period.
Stated what? Link?
Try using search or actually reading the forum, not my job to do your research before you comment.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by hotshot2k3 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:34 pm

shspvr wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:15 am
hotshot2k3 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:26 am
I am getting worried this will no longer be up able to withstand the future.

Fios 4k broadcasts are 25 Mbps. I think that is actually a very conservative bitrate for 4k

When 4k becomes more common there is no way this thing will be able to record 6 4k broadcasts at once with 100 Mbs Ethernet

So if this thing has not even gone into production yet due to cablelabs certification I would seriosly consider updating at least the Ethernet.

There is no video or audio decoding done on the tuner so we just need a bigger pipe to send out data
Each 100 Mbps Ethernet can easy handle 1 steam with over head depend on the bitrate that used at very Maximum of 57 Mbit/s, As long there on a Gigabit Ethernet switch or hub they work just fine when add more tuner a cross a local network if that what your asking hotshot2k3.
I don't understand you logic. The HDHR needs to be able to output data from all tuned channels through one Ethernet port.
For example if there are 6 4k broadcasts being tuned at once it will need to send out at least 150 Mbps. At this time it can only do 100 Mbps

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by shspvr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:51 pm

hotshot2k3 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:34 pm
shspvr wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:15 am
hotshot2k3 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:26 am
I am getting worried this will no longer be up able to withstand the future.

Fios 4k broadcasts are 25 Mbps. I think that is actually a very conservative bitrate for 4k

When 4k becomes more common there is no way this thing will be able to record 6 4k broadcasts at once with 100 Mbs Ethernet

So if this thing has not even gone into production yet due to cablelabs certification I would seriosly consider updating at least the Ethernet.

There is no video or audio decoding done on the tuner so we just need a bigger pipe to send out data
Each 100 Mbps Ethernet can easy handle 1 steam with over head depend on the bitrate that used at very Maximum of 57 Mbit/s, As long there on a Gigabit Ethernet switch or hub they work just fine when add more tuner a cross a local network if that what your asking hotshot2k3.
I don't understand you logic. The HDHR needs to be able to output data from all tuned channels through one Ethernet port.
For example if there are 6 4k broadcasts being tuned at once it will need to send out at least 150 Mbps. At this time it can only do 100 Mbps
HDHR Prime 6 will not see any 4k because no cable company is actually broadcasts in 4k LiveTV 24/7 and there no telling if there going to move to ATSC 3.0 spec or some thing else as for Xfinity 4k even the Satellite Dish and DirecTV and there on hand full channel mostly which are just On-demand titles and a few Live Sports.
HDHR Prime 6 may come 100 Mbps Ethernet port that all it need there more then enough bandwidth for it because many cable system don't used high bitrate it can top out to 10Mbps.
It will not come with 100 Mbps Ethernet port it will need min of 1000 Mbps Ethernet with 6 tuner for ATSC 3.0 as it data rate will be much higher then 25Mbps more like close to 60Mbps with all sub channel
In fact go youtube look for Antenna Man "ATSC 3.0 Details Pt. 2 - How Many Channels? When Will 1.0 Shut Down? Internet Connection Required?"
The reg cable service many folk will never see 4k over cable network in live steam other then ondemand or by Online TV Steaming if and when it become available to them

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by hotshot2k3 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:37 pm

There are already 4k broadcasts on cable TV. My current HDHR tunes them just fine.
By next year there will be many different channels all broadcasting 4k Live events via cable TV at the same time. ESPN + NBC + FOX + FS1 + NBA + NHL
There will be no way to watch or record 6 of them at the same time with 100 Mbps ethernet

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by nickk » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:50 pm

Confirming, you will be limited to max 5 streams of 4k content.

Nick

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by shspvr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:07 pm

nickk wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:50 pm
Confirming, you will be limited to max 5 streams of 4k content.

Nick
Not at 25Mbps with 100Mbps port it won't in theory. In practice you're likely to be bottlenecked on the 5 steam
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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by shspvr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:01 pm

hotshot2k3 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:37 pm
There are already 4k broadcasts on cable TV. My current HDHR tunes them just fine.
By next year there will be many different channels all broadcasting 4k Live events via cable TV at the same time. ESPN + NBC + FOX + FS1 + NBA + NHL
There will be no way to watch or record 6 of them at the same time with 100 Mbps ethernet
No you can't like said that HDHR Prime 6 will need 1000Mbps Ethernet port
I heard there no true 4k HEVC file it the older AVC if I recall right

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by hotshot2k3 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:26 pm

That is incorrect, they are HEVC

The HDHR Prime is only a tuner, it is blind to any kind of codec information.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by shspvr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:33 pm

hotshot2k3 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:26 pm
That is incorrect, they are HEVC

The HDHR Prime is only a tuner, it is blind to any kind of codec information.
Can post a screenshot MediaInfo detail
What are using watch it with.
I know it blind to any kind of codec information after all it just copy the steam just like ATSC.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by hotshot2k3 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:38 pm

shspvr wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:33 pm
hotshot2k3 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:26 pm
That is incorrect, they are HEVC

The HDHR Prime is only a tuner, it is blind to any kind of codec information.
Can post a MediaInfo detail
What are using watch it with.
I know it blind to any kind of codec information after all it just copy the steam just like ATSC.
They don't have any choice but to use HEVC since the broadcasts have been in HDR.

Code: Select all

General
ID                                       : 1 (0x1)
Complete name                            : H:\NCAACB_bb.ts
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 19.0 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 h 58 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 22.9 Mb/s

Video
ID                                       : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@Main
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 1 h 58 min
Bit rate                                 : 21.4 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.043
Stream size                              : 17.7 GiB (93%)
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : HLG
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant

Audio
ID                                       : 257 (0x101)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : E-AC-3
Format/Info                              : Enhanced AC-3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital Plus
Codec ID                                 : 135
Duration                                 : 1 h 58 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 384 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : 2 s 209 ms
Stream size                              : 326 MiB (2%)
Language                                 : English
Service kind                             : Complete Main

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by nickk » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:40 pm

4k = HEVC

The 4k streams we are seeing on ATSC 3 are around 16Mbps.

If cable is higher bitrate then figure 4 streams of 4k content.

Nick

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