6 tuner prime soon !!!

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by go45cvi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:37 am

rrussis82 wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:44 am
At the CES interview with Lon in January, I believe they mentioned the possibility of the price being in the $200 range, but wouldn't commit to an exact price. Lots could have changed since then.
That would not be very enticing. That's what ceton was charging years ago. $150 at launch and $130 for black Friday would do it for me.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by gtb » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:02 pm

rrussis82 wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:44 am
I believe they mentioned the possibility of the price being in the $200 range
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$199 retail list would seem to probably be a good intro price (~$33/tuner), and cheaper (per tuner) than the previous 3-tuner model at introduction. One should always be willing to take the early adopters money (use Apple's approach about pricing their products for those willing to stand in line), although one would usually hope there are no flippers waiting to make a killing if there are extremely limited first runs. (R)e-tailers can choose to offer closer to the wholesale price for their own reasons (bundles, services, get people in the door (on the site), etc.) if they like.
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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by gtb » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:05 pm

go45cvi wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:37 am
That would not be very enticing.
That is the thing (as others have mentioned) that due to specific MSOs pricing, some could pay it back fairly quickly by needing a smaller number of CableCARD rentals, or simplifying their environment. Everyone does need to make their own eval for their own environment.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by go45cvi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:28 pm

gtb wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:05 pm
That is the thing (as others have mentioned) that due to specific MSOs pricing, some could pay it back fairly quickly by needing a smaller number of CableCARD rentals, or simplifying their environment. Everyone does need to make their own eval for their own environment.
I've been waiting on this for 4 years at least, even at $2.50 a card. It's just too bad they spent so much time on the DVR before releasing it. With all the streaming options these days, I feel it is a little late to be investing that much in cablecard so near its EOL, especially on WMC with spectrum drm.

Maybe when I can get more than 1 OTA I can try premium instead, but it is in need of a sports add-on. And that's $300 for 4+4 tuners. :roll:

It does look as though silicondust will have 2 of the only solutions that let you skip commercials without limitations.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by elabra » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:45 pm

NYPlayer wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:31 pm
mcewinter wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:25 pm
NYPlayer wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:53 am


Same here less interested. The 6 tuner box is no longer a priority for me in fact it is at the bottom of the list. I am happy with my 2 Primes. I prefer 2 Primes over 1 6 tuner box... like redundancy.
A second Prime would cost me $10 per month. That's a heavy tax for a little bit of redundancy. It was once mentioned that the new Prime will be around the same price as the current/old Prime. That was when they were first going to provide 6 tuner some time ago.
My 2 Primes cost me a credit of $2.00.
Same here with Comcast/Xfinity I get the first Prime cablecard for free them pay $1.50 for the second cablecard for my 2nd Prime. Since I get a $2.50 credit for each of the 2 Primes I actually pay $1.50 for the 2nd card and get a $5 credit each month so net out with a $3.50 credit each month.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by elabra » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:52 pm

GetMatt wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:17 am
DroidTV wrote:
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I pulled the plug on my second prime after 3+ years of great service because one month out of nowhere Comcast sends me a letter stating that due to some internal audit they found that they were not charging me the $9.95 additional outlet fee for the second cablecard and going forward they will.... and the very next month they did. It was offset a little due to the customer owned equipment credit, but I was still being charged extra for it.

Needless to say, I will be an early adopter.
So here is what I did with Comcast to fix that: Comcast has multiple way to code CableCARDs in their system. One way is separate CableCARDs for separate systems. Another is multiple CableCARDs for single systems. It was setup that way because some of the old TiVos require two CableCARDs. So I called them up and said that I thought my cards were coded incorrectly and w/o getting into the details with them explained that my DVR system requires two CableCARDs.

They changed the coding and the. Started charging me $2.50 both CableCARDs and gave me the $5.00 equipment discount.
I did the same but only pay $1.50 with Comcast for the 2nd cablecard (minus the $5 monthly credit). The key is to use the phrase "...my DVR requires 2 cablecards..."

You are not lying and they will assume both cards are on the same physical box and code it as such.

The HDHR DVR uses 2 tuners but only one DVR/record engine so it is correct to say you have 1 DVR (your PC, NAS, Shield or whatever you use to run the Record Engine) that uses 2 cards. Comcast charges for cablecards based on the DVR not the tuner so it works out in our favor. At least with Comcast, they put you on a "****" plan which also includes free HD service as well so they don't charge you the normal fee for HD service either.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by DebbieFL33 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:55 pm

I wholeheartedly agree. You are only running 1 DVR service, hence no reason to 💰extra for 2nd card.

Of course, others could argue the opposite...if 2nd cable-card cost only $1.50 (as it is for some), then C-C cost & utilizing the $2.50 credit per device would be more advantageous. C-C (0.00+1.50) + Device Cr (-2.50+-2.50)= -$3.50, total cost. Or -$2.00 if first also cost $1.50 :lol:

It’s a nickel and dime game, especially with Xfinity (Comcast).

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by gtb » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:26 pm

DebbieFL33 wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:55 pm
It’s a nickel and dime game, especially with Xfinity (Comcast).
I think the entire device pricing is about to come to a head as Comcast decides how they are going to price Roku and Samsung (and presumably their ATV) apps once they come out of beta. While during the beta they are free, Comcast has previously stated that once the beta period ends each and every device will be expected to pay the U&C ~$10/device/mo fee, with a ~$2/device/mo discount for customer owned device. So, around $8/device/mo. The first device, as is currently the case, would normally be "free" as it included in the TV service. And while Comcast can clearly change their mind regarding pricing, I would expect them to eventually make all devices (including CableCARDs) in all markets the same price in the absence of franchise specific contractual exceptions.

And as someone who owned one has told me, the Series 3 TiVos have been able to support Multi-stream CableCARDs for a very long time now (so that two cards in same device discount which was required for two S-Cards with earlier software may very well be on the ropes too). And that does not even include that **** has been practically begging people to replace their Series 3's by offering aggressive discounts on a Bolt. And while I would rather have a fully functional HDHR DVR than a series 3 ****, to each their own.

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how soon is soon?

Post by techpro2004 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:23 am

I am wondering what silicondust means when they say "coming soon". To me that means within a week. Apparently I am wrong. What is your definition of soon? Thanks.

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Re: how soon is soon?

Post by gtb » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:22 am

No wine before it's time.

Anyone who has ever been part of large software development knows that you can either have a date, or a list of deliverables, but you can't have both at any scale with any precision (it is sort of like the Quantum Mechanics Uncertainty principle, you can only know with high precision either x or p but not both).

Now, you could move to CI/CD processes (which, I admit, I expected as part of the kickstarter wording), where you would get regular code drops that may be perfect, or break everything today, and fix it tomorrow, or leave it broken for months, and tomorrows code drop would spin the dial on the results all over again. Would that kind of inconsistent usability be acceptable for the community, or do you want only code that has passed QA and user acceptance, and when it does not, it goes back to the drawing board (programmers)? Be sure you speak for everyone in the answer you provide.

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Re: how soon is soon?

Post by NYPlayer » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:56 am

Not soon enough … time is ticking … for us Prime users .. like I said before DRM Recording or Cable companies stop providing cable cards what will come first … sooner or later we will find out.

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Re: how soon is soon?

Post by rrussis82 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:29 pm

I'm going to make an assumption that was put up on the website because the old 3 tuner was taken out due to not being available any more. Some posters had started to question if SiliconDust made the Prime devices unavailable and stopped making them all together. So it was added to show that they haven't given up on CableCard devices.

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Re: how soon is soon?

Post by techpro2004 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:58 pm

I ask this because I am worried about the new 6 tuner prime getting hit by trump's new round of china taxes and I don't want to pay an increased amount for it.

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Re: how soon is soon?

Post by neil459 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:01 pm

gtb wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:22 am
No wine before it's time.

Anyone who has ever been part of large software development knows that you can either have a date, or a list of deliverables, but you can't have both at any scale with any precision (it is sort of like the Quantum Mechanics Uncertainty principle, you can only know with high precision either x or p but not both). . . . . .
Usually its time (date), quality, and functionality (deliverables), choose 2 of the three. With that said, experience reduces the unknowns considerably. If you are talking about the UI rewrite, the deliverables should be defined and straight forward.

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Re: 6 tuner prime soon !!!

Post by nateb » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:35 pm

techpro, I'm merging your last two threads on this topic. Nothing substantial has changed between now and the 12th, when you created your first thread. Creating additional threads will not speed up development. It will just clutter up the forum. All that we can say right now is that we remain committed to the Prime 6 and will let you know when it's available as soon as we can.

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